The Walking Dead; 7.03 "The Cell" (open spoilers)

Well, there’s always some good in everyone then huh?

There were way too many commercials in this one. There were a couple of times when there was 3-4 minutes of show and 4-5 of commercials. If it wasn’t for a DVR I couldn’t watch this show.

Did you notice that " the walking dead" are no more than a minor nuisance now. That’s what they were from the beginning, except for Rick and his bunch.

This idiot Dwight pulls up on the motorcycle and instead of driving through the “walking dead” or driving around them, he pushes the bike, in slow motion, through them and then he stops and lets one fall on him.
Anyone this stupid should join Ricks group right away.

Yeah, at this point, anyone who has survived for this long (except for the sheltered Alexandrians), knows how to handle a few zombies. If it isn’t a huge horde of them coming at you, if you just keep your head, you can deal with them fairly easily.

You would think that, but you’d also have thought that about Chairman Mao, or Pol Pot, or Idi Amin, or any other dictator.

I hope there’s a scene this season in which we find out that Lucille literally talks to Negan and orders him around. It would fit Negan perfectly: he’s so deranged that he hallucinates Lucille communicating with him and is not joking when he says that she’s a stickler for the rules.

So are all of Negan’s minions brainwashed? Or do the just know where their rations are coming from? The runaway seems to have been one of the latter, until he couldn’t take it anymore. OTOH, Negan is trying to ‘break’/brainwash Daryl. How many of the Saviours consciously or unconsciously hate their situation, and how many are True Believers?

Ruthless dictatorship though it is, it seems to work well enough. For the most part, people seemed satisfied. (‘Bread and circuses’, I guess.) Dwight took some ‘convincing’, but we found out why. (I guessed from the preview on The Talking Dead last week that he may be doing some soul-searching.) These don’t seem to be Reavers, but normal people operating within the bounds of their society. It seems that if you don’t break the law (e.g., don’t steal) and do your ‘civic duty’ (whatever is asked of you) you’re going to do OK. And it looks like they have a big enough population that they could become at least nominally self-sufficient, trading with other communities for things they need. Raiding is easier though, and self-sufficiency isn’t going to happen until Negan is gone.

I didn’t quite get the ‘points’ system. (Mrs. L.A. sometimes talks during shows.) Is it that you perform tasks in exchange for ‘points’, and then use the points to purchase the things you need? Sounds like living paycheck-to-paycheck. What’s the other system they use?

Let this be a message to would-be musicians. Work hard, practice daily and someday your music could be used to torture people.

Rick Astley knew that already.

So is Donald Trump. Look how many people follow him.

First of all, a significant number of people are with Negan for the same reason people followed The Governor or Rick Grimes for that matter. Because his leadership allowed them to actually survive in their new world. Because of that, they are willing to overlook the occasional erratic behavior or atrocity. Many of them probably see themselves as the “good guys”.

Second, much like Trump or any other strongman or dictator, there are always people who are attracted to those sort of leaders. Basically other “unrelenting assholes” who get off on the power of having someone legitimize their assholeish behavior.

Once you have someone like that in a position of power, surrounded by a core group of loyal supporters and a larger extended group of hanger-ons, sycophants and general dependents, it becomes very difficult to remove them. You don’t know who to trust and very few people are willing to give their lives to be a “lone gunman” taking out a dictator.

Generally, mindless, slow moving, easily distracted walking corpses would be nothing more than a nuisance. Until there are a hundred thousand of them.

Exactly. They aren’t “raiding” though. Raiders, come in, grab whatever they can, then leave (possibly destroying anything they didn’t take). Negan basically creates vassal states of the other communities where they routinely pay a set “homage” or tax.

I normally don’t watch live, but I did last night and damn if it didn’t seem like there was a commercial every 5 minutes!

D was pushing the bike because the wheel was fucked up. That was shown pretty clearly.

Dwight rode up on the bike and the front wheel was fine, then got off and pushed it through the " walking dead".

The way Negan explained it to Daryl was 1)work for me and get anything you want 2) work for points, which will make you wish you were dead 3)death and work for me as part of our defensive zombie screen.

I can see that being used against them.
Just before the place burns down.
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OK, I did hear that.

Why would they wish they were dead? Why would they be abused if they’re doing a job and accepting ‘points’ as payment?

Point taken, although at this time we’re pretty sure Mr. Trump hasn’t bashed anyone’s head in with a baseball bat. So far as we know.

I wasn’t clear on what exactly “points” meant either, but it’s possible he means points as in percentage, and it seems his favorite percentage is 50%. So, if he means giving up half of everything you manage to scrounge or produce to him, that would probably make you wish you were dead in such a resource-limited world.

Well Dwight’s friend literally chose death than going back to that. I assume it’s basically slave labor with barely enough “points” to get by. The reason it works is the people in group 1, if it was just Negan he would’ve been killed long ago.

I actually like this idea.