The Walking Dead; 8.09 "Honor" (open spoilers)

Apparently season 8 is coming back from hiatus tonight; opposite the closing ceremonies of the Winder Olympics. Chandler Riggs and Greg Nicotero are on Talking Dead.

Replay of the Closing Ceremonies are on at 6:00 PM here (West Coast, CBUT). :slight_smile:

I am predicting that Carl is fine and we were all mislead by his “bite”. I know it’s a long-shot, but I just think he’ll survive.

I hope we find out quickly and it isn’t dragged out.

Nope.

Wow, looks legit. I guess we’ll see if he’s lying to us soon. Sounds like he’s dead, though.

He’s dead. Man oh man!

I still think I’m right.

Just kidding. Dude’s dead.

That was mean, man.
I knew he was really dead, cause he cut his hair after the last show of the season opening.
But I faithfully kept up hope.
Man, Morgan went all psycho!

I know the majority don’t like the show anymore and the ratings are down, but I thought that was a great episode and Chandler Riggs was phenomenal.

Seeing Morgan go bananas and the look of shock and awe on Carol’s face was priceless!

Now, at the very end, we see another flash-foward of Rick with a bad gut wound, sitting at the base of a tree - I’m thinking that was maybe after his upcoming battle with Negan?

“Hey guys nothing actually happens this episode, what can we do?”
“make it an hour and a half”

It wasn’t bad, and I’m sorry to see Carl go, but I thought that they drew out his death scene a bit too long.

My wife and I were discussing as we were watching it how remarkable it was that we felt so little about the death of a character who has been around since the beginning of the show. This seemed especially strange since it was a character who was 10 years old in the first season.

One of the reasons for this, and for the show’s terrible quality overall, is that the writing is ridiculous and does not improve. Defenders of the show always fall back on “character development” when the show is criticized for dragging, but the problem is that they don’t develop characters, they just manipulate them as plot devices. Take Morgan, in this episode, for example. Does the 180 degree turn make sense? They spent a great deal of the show’s real-estate going into Morgan’s evolution from insane killer to pacifist, and now he’s dragging his stick menacingly as he Pepe Le Pew’s after a victim? Apparently because a child died?

Another ongoing problem is the poor writing and poor presentation of fights. Carol and Morgan jump on a stage to take on bad guys arrayed around an auditorium, but they just stand in the middle of the stage. A stage is designed to be an easy to see focal point for an audience.

See also Rick’s big plan for overwhelming the Saviors, which was apparently overcome by the Saviors … shooting the zombies and walking out of the building. Can’t believe that such a crazy and audacious plan occurred to someone. And was there anything more ridiculous looking than the zombies just falling down dead in lines without any apparent bullet strikes either to them or all around them on the ground, despite all of the automatic weapons fire?

I am slightly hopeful that things on this show might improve since Scott Gimple is gone, but since one of the long-time writers on the show (who I presume was responsible for some of the terrible writing) was put in his place, I tend to expect more of the same terribleness.

This and Jesus “we shouldn’t kill the psycho murderers who are trying to murder us literally as we are having this conversation” are the worst.

The episode gets an a pat on the back for effort. The problem has always been they try to cash in on empathy for characters that have never been fully drawn. Still, the actor who plays Carl did a good job with his death episode. I also enjoyed the raid on the Kingdom.

I found it amusing that the stuff from Rick’s Dream Future was, at least visually, right out of the Comic’s “reality” in its present. Since the show and the comic have diverged so much I am sure this is meant to be an ester egg and nothing more.

Huge, huge fan of Walking Dead, especially seasons 1-3(maybe 4).

It really needs to end. It has for about two seasons.

It feels like a very entertaining guest who has now stayed way too long…and does not seem to be eyeing the door to leave.

I’m getting a bit weary of all the shooting and blasing and fighting. It seems like too much action, not enough of anything else.

I do really love the music in this show. The music playing down in that hidey-hole where Rick saw Carl’s bite was very evocative.

I have said for two seasons now or so (since they found Alexandria really) that this show needed to pivot from depicting the fall of a civilization to showing the building of a new one. They seem to be moving in this direction in fits and starts but they should have jumped in instead.

Overall, I liked the show, but Coral’s deeeeeeeeeath sceeeeeeeeeeeene took way too long.

Eugene is still playing both sides against the middle. Eugene being the middle.

The Saviours still have a large number of non-fighting workers who need lots of food. The (three) main suppliers of food are in revolt. Every group is losing workers/fighters/people. Every group is under pressure to finish this fight quickly. I predict that more than one person will do something stupid next week. But I’m just guessing. :wink:

I voted 'Didn’t like it" Almost voted ‘hated it’. This show is now failing on so many levels. The plot makes no sense, the directing and editing makes everything really hard to follow, the characters have no consistency, the director(s) have no clue how to shoot action scenes that make any kind of sense, etc.

Chandler Riggs had become probably the best actor on the show, and the only character who had developed in a coherent, believable way. So of course they killed him off.

And what was that last scene all about? Rick is sitting under a tree, with stained glass windows hanging from it (??), and he looked to have the same kind of injury as Carl. And apparently he had a dream of Negan becoming… him? Or suddenly Negan’s going to become a good guy?

I assume they were going to a ‘Run Silent - Run Deep’ submarine vibe with all the bombs going off above them? That made no sense. Why would the Saviors be using explosives to blow up the community? And why did the people in the tunnel feel like they had to escape? They were a long way from the buildings.

For that matter, when you have Carl lying on a comfortable cot in a cool dry place, why was it suddenly imperative that they haul him out of there, into potentionally a hostile situation? So he could die on a dirty floor instead? Huh?

I get the feeling that the new show runner is trying to take the show in some sort of ‘deep’, artistic direction full of mataphors and lots of psychological hand wringing and such, but the writers just don’t have the chops to pull it off. So instead they just wrecked everything good about the show and replaced it with a pretentious, incomprehensible mess.

I preface with, I am unapologetically a fan-girl.
I loved the show, but I am so disappointed that Carl had to die.
I realize he wants to move on in his RL. But, jeez dude you could’ve put college off another year. You tasted fame and uncounted millions $$. Do you think some sedate college life is gonna keep you relevant and inspired. Nope, call Danny Bonaduce or that guy who played Greg Brady. Or any of those 100s of kid actors.
Your life is over. I hope you invested well.
We will miss you.

I am also curious about Rick and the tree.
Bloody hand, stained glass window. Hmmmm??!?