Eliminating alcohol, especially sweet drinks like cider and midori, will have more of an impact on your “stubborn belly fat” than anything else you are considering. Also, you may wish to consider researching alcohol’s effect on the liver.
On average I probably have about 2-3 “standard drinks” of alcohol a year… BTW the following thread I made about the liver partly was about alcohol…
I can’t quite believe I’m being asked to defend my statement that judging a fad diet by Amazon reviews and statues of ancient Greek warriors indicates a lack of critical thinking skills.
There’s really no point trying to debate these things with JohnClay, he hasn’t shown any sign of listening to anyone presenting data that goes against his beliefs. This is just one of a dozen threads he’s started where he presents the most foolish ideas and then doubles down to defends them when presented with real data and logical arguments.
I’ve given up trying to interact with him in these threads, but I may respond to other participant’s points. Clearly, pointing to Greek statues as evidence for nutrition is so far removed from reality as to not require refutation. And the fact that he thinks Amazon reviews of fad diet books mean something is laughable.
He can eat what he wants, but nobody here has to feed him.
So are you a warrior yet?
Quoted for the sake of repetition.
Those statues are surely based on someone and those people were on some kind of diet. Or do you think the statues were purely based on someone’s imagination? Can you answer this question instead of just ignoring it?
Some of those reviews are done by people who have done more than a thousand reviews and hundreds thought they were “helpful”. Yet you don’t think they “mean something”.
The same could be said about you - “There’s really no point trying to debate these things with [Telemark], he hasn’t shown any sign of listening to anyone presenting data that goes against his beliefs.”
You ignored this:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17785839&postcount=152
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17787805&postcount=173
I did present data. You just dismiss it as “laughable”.
BTW I no longer strongly insist that liver detox diets are real. And I agree with half of the things you said though I didn’t respond to them.
Maybe you should be eating the “Ancient Greek Sculptors’ Model Diet”.
Send me three easy payments of USD $59.95, and I’ll ship it to you.
Remember I also said “I debug programs for a job. If I didn’t have have those skills I’d be terrible at my job.”
and you said:
“you seem to have a complete and total lack of critical thinking skills. You have no understanding of how to analyze evidence or draw logical conclusions.”
I’m asking you to defend that statement. Not the one you just mentioned. Defend it while keeping in mind my statement. You like to keep ignoring what I wrote.
Also the reason I’m still reading that book is not just because of Amazon reviews or statues. You would know that if you had been paying attention.
So can you focus on the first part of this post?
I guess you’ll ignore it again.
BTW “Just because a diet is called a “fad” does not necessarily mean the diet is a failure.”
I don’t think people have presented evidence that this diet doesn’t work. They’ve just had lots of objections such as Amazon reviews being meaningless, etc.
He did say that. His first sentence already has all the qualifiers it needs (“you seem”). Perhaps you would cavil a bit less if his wording in the second sentence were also qualified; e.g., “In this thread you have demonstrated no understanding of how to analyze evidence or draw logical conclusions.”
Your assertion about your job does not actually provide such a demonstration, btw. You yourself assert that if you didn’t have those skills you’d be terrible at your job. And yet nowhere in this thread have you even bothered to claim that you’re NOT terrible at it.
True.
But that’s the way to bet.
So I guess this is a “most foolish” idea…
So your real data/logical argument is:
“Clearly, pointing to Greek statues as evidence for nutrition is so far removed from reality as to not require refutation”
So what is your proof that statues aren’t actually based on people who would have a diet? Well I guess you said “clearly” it is “so far removed from reality as to not require refutation”. How convenient.
Just when I reminded you of counter-arguments. How convenient.
:dubious:
Yes you are obviously correct :rolleyes:
So maybe it doesn’t “require refutation” but could you at least try to respond to my counter-argument?
Even though “There’s really no point trying to debate these things with JohnClay” - could you try to defend yourself?
Yes what a good point. Something is “laughable”. You are also laughable.
It also has the qualifiers of “complete and total lack”. He didn’t say “in this thread”. He seemed to be talking about in general. And even if he was just talking about this thread, what about this:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17782914&postcount=125
One example is enough to disprove his statement that I seem to have a “complete and total lack” of critical thinking skills.
See what I just wrote. Smeghead hasn’t retracted his statement. Also in the second sentence he didn’t say “you seem”. He said “You have no understanding…”
If I was terrible at my job I would have gotten fired. Also I said “If I didn’t have those skills…”. I think this post shows I have understanding about “how to analyze evidence or draw logical conclusions”.
I disagree; and to be candid, I do not feel it would be the most productive use of my time to deconstruct your post sentence by sentence, phrase by phrase, and word by word to highlight the myriad reasons why I do.
There’s TONS of free porn out there that I haven’t seen yet, you see.
I am skeptical about that. You could do a search for threads started by me - there are nearly 3 pages of results. See if you can even find 5.
I guess you can’t be bothered finding actual evidence for your assertions though. After all some things are “so far removed from reality as to not require refutation” or are “laughable”.
I didn’t respond to this part of your reply:
You think I don’t “listen”? Or by listen perhaps you mean “agree” - though I do alter my beliefs quite a bit. Not necessarily in every single thread though.
So you gave up after ONE counter-argument post without really defending yourself. I guess a better use of your time is making posts like this:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17790043&postcount=189
I guess you still agree with:
“you seem to have a complete and total lack of critical thinking skills. You have no understanding of how to analyze evidence or draw logical conclusions.”
Though you add words to it saying that it really only applies to content in this thread.
Ok you’re excused.
So you still have arguments directed towards me but you don’t want to “interact” with me. Maybe because your arguments are “clearly” correct.
Users also recommend Fat And Scant Of Breath: The Hamlet Diet Decoded.
Oh, I didn’t say I’m going to do that *right now; there’s still a great deal of enjoyment to be derived just by following this thread, and occasionally making a smart-ass remark.
*Not THAT kind of enjoyment. Get your minds out of the gutter.