The workforce: What is this extremely Type B and right brained person to do?

You still haven’t told us what you learned. We have no idea what your major is, and the closest we have been able to determine about your likes and dislikes is that you enjoy taking photos and urging people to gather and do something fun (even if you yourself can’t organize that.)

What did you think of the possible job suggestions that were posted? Taking photos and urging people to do something fun sounds like exactly what would be needed for working at Disney Land as one of the mascots, but…I somewhat expect that that’s not something that would fly your kite even though it is specific to what information we have.

Aaaaah…but the key is two-fold. 1) prove that indeed you are debilitated from a disease no one can see, and 2) prove you actually have it and/or aren’t faking it.

With some people, it’s easy. Alcoholism, suicide attempts, etc. Something with concrete evidence. But the water can get murky when you talk about the less-obvious problems people face. I’m not crazy about it, but that’s the reality for a lot of people.

However, I do agree that the OP doesn’t seem to be putting the best foot forward. You need to be out there a while to even begin to figure out who you are. I detect more than a hint of graduation-overwhelmed-unattainable expectations syndrome.

And this, in a nutshell, is your problem. You are NEVER going to find specific soultions because they do not exist. There is no road map for how to live your life. You have to draw your own map as you go along. Each and everyone one of us here has done the same, and all of our maps look different.

So, work on changing your mindset. Try to accept that there is no single way to do things, and that you will not have someone holding your hand to guide you through things as you make your way in life.

My personal suggestion, as someone who at 22 was married, held down a full-time job while working her way through college, and owned a house in her own name, is to quit with all the worry and fretting about how you’re going to do things and just throw yourself into something and do it. Try an internship, or volunteer. But above all get away from the computer and the therapists and the counselors and just start living your life. You’ll pick things up as you go along, and you’ll learn what you like and what you don’t, as well as what your skills are.

I think it’s perfectly fair at 22 not to know what you want to do for the rest of your life, but you should absolutely have an idea of what you can do and have an understanding that in order to get where you ultimately want to be (living spontaneously and creatively) you are going to have to make a great deal of sacrifice.

Very true. I fully agree. The thing that irks me (and I expressed fairly vaguely - my bad) is when people just announce that they have the problem and then proceed to sit on their hands saying “It’s not my fault! I have the problem!” and that is all they actually do. In other words, people who use it as an excuse for failure to perform. If the situation is “I have the problem, but I’ve tried X, Y and Z mitigate it and I’m open to further suggestions”, then that’s something else altogether.

It’s not the OP’s problem though :stuck_out_tongue:

For the OP’s benefit though, if you want help, then do the following one step to start receiving help in this forum:

  1. List a skill. Several people (myself included) have asked you this, in so many words actually, to no avail.

Failing that, tell us what you went to school for (as you’re apparently graduating). Tell us what you studied. Tell us what classes you did well in. Tell us what classes you enjoyed. Tell us what jobs you had that you hated (you mentioned you’ve been employed before). Tell us what you hated about the jobs you’ve had before. Tell us what you didn’t hate.

Tell us SOMETHING FOR THE LOVE OF LITTLE GREEN APPLES!

Give us concrete information upon which to base meaningful advice.

Until you manage to do so, I’m going to assume you’re just whining.

I think we are in agreement. There are plenty of people who are functioning at less than optimal perfection (i.e., all of us), but they’re functioning. They work, they have families, friends, hobbies, homes, responsibilities, etc. So life’s not perfect. Get in line for the waaaaambulance. Jumping in and doing it is the only way you’ll ever know what your capabilities are.

Do you do actual work you get paid for from home or does someone support you while you dabble in some hobby? Because the people I’m talking aren’t artists or writers or whatever. They are talentless bums who don’t have a source of income outside of their parents and dabble in artistic stuff in order to be pretentious.

It’s like this girl I know who’s dad pays for her appartment, asks his friend let her work in his real estate firm where she sells jack shit and who thinks being an extra on a movie set once a month for $50 makes her and actress.

This really seems like a dogpile on the OP. I remember back when I was 22 and looking for a job, and I had no clue as to what I wanted to (or could) do. So I think we/you should cut him a little slack for being a little inexperienced in the working world. And forgive his accidentally sounding a bit arrogant; maybe it’s just some unfortunate phrases he’s typed.

None of us (no cite) wanted to go to work when we were just out of school. None of us wanted to wake up early. None of us wanted to work when it was a beautiful spring day outside. None of us wanted to shoehorn our personal lives into the breaks between workdays. 99% of us (hey, making up statistics is fun!) adapted to whatever weird work life we encountered. If it was too difficult to adapt, we went somewhere else to work.

You (OP) have some skills. I haven’t gotten a clear idea what they are, and I haven’t figured out what your major is. (Truth be told, no one will give a shit about your major five years from now). If you’re graduating from college, you’ve at least shown that you can hold it together long enough to get a degree, so that says something positive about you.

You need a job and some perspective. I think you should adjust to the fact that your next job may suck, but that it just may teach you some things. If possible, just spread the word to everyone you know that you’re looking for an entry level position doing anything and that you’ll bring competence and responsibility to work with you (even if that’s currently not something you can guarantee). If you don’t have any friends who could help you get in someone’s door, hit the streets. Monster.com. The classifieds. Job fairs. You’re not looking for something that will stimulate your creative mind; you’re looking for something to pay the rent. If you get a job, show up. Someone else can quote this correctly, but something like 99% of success is just showing up. Stay with that crappy, entry level job for at least a year, and during that year, try to figure out what you really want to do. Good luck, and I mean that sincerely.

My best advice is to suck it up and do what you don’t like. You have to learn how to plan, how to follow through, how to take responsibility. If you make a commitment, follow through. This is what an adult does. If you consider yourself to be “relationship-oriented”, consider what your lack of follow-through does to the people around you.

StG

Dead Horse -> Stick ---- but I was thinking about you yesterday while driving a long distance, Diamond, and it occurred to me:

You say that you couldn’t possibly continue to live with your parents b/c they have too many rules.

Which may, in fact, be absolutely true.

But now you’re here, looking for more specific rules to follow. Rules for life.

Trust your first instinct – it doesn’t work that way. You can’t pre-program your future.

In fact, while rules can help you stay out of trouble, they can also prevent you from taking risks.

The truth is, YOU are the only one who can live your life, and there are a lot of things you have to find out for yourself, from first-hand experience.

Good luck!

(Addressing the original OP)

Have you considered something in media? I am a fairly unscheduled person and one of the most satisfying jobs I’ve had was a graphic internship at a newspaper in the editorial group. I worked from 4-8pm, and I was responsible for creating graphical teasers above the masthead and for converting all of the editor’s paper layouts to Quark Express. At first, this took up most of my time, but after a week or two, I had it down to about 30 minutes of work. Instead of being bothered by my idleness, the editors loved me. They were able to delay their decisions until a half-hour before the print deadline and know that I’d be able to turn it around.

You mentioned that you’re not into computers, so the same position probably wouldn’t work for you. Still, I wonder if there might be some other fit in the various advertising and news media (maybe cameraman, roving correspondent, obituary editor, gopher…). No long-term deadlines to worry about. Every day is a new day. The ability to react quickly and correctly can help you get ahead.

Of course, I’ve been in the software business ever since then, so take all this with a grain of salt.

Another option might be to go with something more social and/or physical (bike messenger, firefighter, day care worker, hospital orderly).

Ahem. I work for government. As a planner. I didn’t go to college and graduate school just to participate in some “useless activity.”

FWIW, a lot of urban planners are ADD. It’s a profession where creative, tangential thinking is a must.

My advice:

  1. Stop labeling yourself.

I’m not saying labels can’t sometimes be useful or that it’s impossible to know what your personality traits are, but I think you’re pigeon-holding yourself a bit by defining yourself as an extremely Type B and right-brained person. First off, these are made-up, pseudo-intellectual terms. Secondly, very few people are all the way at the end of a personality spectrum. Most of us are equipped with traits and abilities that allow us to cope with a variety of environments.

Most importantly, you can change. Just because you are “Type B” now, doesn’t mean you can’t strive to a “Type A” personality. And there’s nothing wrong with letting yourself change, if it increases your success in life.

2)Stop navel-gazing. We over-intellectualize and over-analyse things in this society, often to our detriment. Happiness is an important thing, don’t get me wrong, but you know what’s more important? Rent money. Grocery money. Gasoline money. Worriness and ruminating is alright (Lord knows I do it enough), but it’s easier to do when you aren’t starving. Don’t let abstract worries and concerns convince you that you’re too fragile and anxious to work. You aren’t. (Plus, working may divert some of that “worry” energy and make you less self-absorbed.)

  1. Get some skills. It sounds like you aren’t equipped with a bunch of marketable skills. Don’t worry, lots of folks are like this right out of college. Put down the self-help books and get some do-it-yourself books. Take some community college classes. Find a friend who knows how to do something you don’t know how to do, and ask him to teach you. Volunteer somewhere and learn something by watching. Having skills will give you confidence, help you learn what you can do, and maybe give you some career ideas.

  2. Stop focusing on the things you can’t do. I used to do this a lot, and although I occassionally slip out an self-deprecating remarks, I have found my outlook in life has gotten better by staying positive about myself. You say you aren’t good at planning things or seeing projects to the end. Do you think you can improve in these areas? There’s no reason you can’t, if you really want to. Try to see your flaws as fixable, not permanent disabilities (or worse, as personality traits).

5)It also sounds like you need to toughen up. The world is a harsh, hard place. Most of your life (and my life, and everyone else’s life) is going to be spent doing stuff that’s unpleasant and stressful. Every time my boss gives me criticism, my body tenses up and I think bad things about myself and wonder if I’m cut out for my job. But I know there’s no use in me quitting over it…because no matter where I go I will be scrunitized and criticized and have to work under pressure. You’re always going to have to compete against someone, have some high standard to meet. You can cry about how unfair this is, or you can simply adapt to it. Instead of saying, “I’m not cut out for this”, tell yourself, “This is scary, but I know I can do it. Because I have to do it.”

Diamonds, can you tell us what course you are about to graduate in? Please? It would make this thread much more worthwhile, and less of a sludge of new-age-motivational-labelling crap that it has descended into.

Or are you just playing games, and not really seeking ‘advice’ at all? :dubious:

I have to be honest, I skipped some of the replies in this post, but just to add my .02 about work and such. I have done a good bit of random jobs, but one I loved (even though it gave me no ability to be creative, it did give me the ability to run on my own schedule and pick what work I did) was working for the county garage. I worked a lot of hours and usually ended up done before most of the others in the crew. Most people assume it’s a lot of flagging traffic, but you can do a lot of different things. Myself, I worked on a mowing crew.
I did work at a head start, but that allowed no creativity, as there were so many rules about everything - we weren’t allowed to say “no” to the children, no matter what they were doing. I just couldn’t handle thngs like that. we also were not allowed to ever ask the kids to “walk in a line”…well, we could, but those words were forbidden. - anyways, I found that some jobs fit even when they shouldn’t. My favorite job in life so far was being a clerk at a liquor store/carryout. It was just something where I worked with people and every day was different. After a few months when I got some experience, I was just given a list of things to do and a 8-10 hour shift to do them. My own pace the whole way and I could change things as I saw fit. Same with my new job (night shift at a hotel) I can work my ass off for 2-3 hours a night and get everything done, then spend the next 5 hanging out at the desk working on a story, or I can wander around all night, working slow and enjoying the quiet. Either way, it’s up to me.

Of course, life changes once you graduate college usually. The Mrs. graduated in at the end of winter quarter and still is a receptionist at an eye doctors (which has nothing to do with her social science area degree) - of course, she is also working on her masters of criminology :wink:

I’m afraid I don’t know of any job out there which doesn’t require some degree of planning and follow through. Even finding a job almost always requires that, unless someone spontaneously hands you one, and, while that did happen to my brother once, it’s not something to rely on. A good friend of mine makes a comfortable living writing military and science fiction. He’s never made the best seller list, but he’s out earned me some years. His job allows him to be spontaneous and creative and set his own hours. He’s also battled depression and ADHD. His job still requires planning and follow through, though. Among other things, in addition to plotting the general outline of his book, he also has to meet the deadlines in his various contracts.

Coming up with ideas is easy, and my favorite bosses have all been people who could come up with marvelous ideas. Being an idea person doesn’t rule out success in business. Just ask the CEO of my current company who will call me in to bounce ideas off of me, some of which are immediately practical, others of which will work 5 years down the road or so. I’m afraid being able to execute those ideas is essential, however, even if the way you execute them is by working with other people who can handle the nuts and bolts aspects. The good news is you can learn to handle the nuts and bolts aspects. Right now, however, the OP is reminding me of people who come up to my writer friend at SF cons and say, “I’ve got a great idea for a story! Why don’t I tell you the idea, you write the book, and we’ll split the proceeds 50/50?”

Diamonds02, let me give you a couple of things to consider. You may be better at following through on your plans than you give yourself credit for. You’ve made it through college, by the sound of it. That means you must have given some thought to what courses you were going to take each term and followed through on that. Since you’re getting your degree, you must have taken courses which fulfill certain requirements, unless you realized after a while that you were approaching requirements a degree in something by accident. If you’ve gone on a vacation or even away for a weekend, that required a certain amount of planning, if only when it came to deciding where you were going to go, how you were going to get there, and where you were going to stay once you arrived. Even figuring out what errands you’re going to run and in what order constitutes planning and follow through.

The other thing is, it’s easy to let your illnesses make excuses for you. I suffer from clinical depression myself, and I know how crippling it can be. I’ve also got too much pride to yield to it, and I don’t let that disease define me. When I was in group therapy, I met people who’d been in therapy for years and, in my layman’s opinion, would be for years because they were waiting for someone to come along and hand them all the answers. I knew that wasn’t going to happen, although it would be nice if we did. My parents made a point of teaching me to deal with the world as it is, not as I’d like it to be. I won’t be stupid enough to say that depression can be overcome by force of will alone, but letting it define and confine you is no way to live. You will, in this life, have to do things which are hard and which you don’t want to do. Sometimes they’ll work well; sometimes they’ll blow up in your face, but even then, you can look back and say that’s one thing you at least tried to do. I put up with a boss who couldn’t or wouldn’t plan and who’d blame me when things went wrong for 18 months and it was only after I left that I could admit to myself how awful he was, but the job was what I needed at the time and I managed some growth out of it, most notably realizing his failure to follow through on something, despite my repeated nagging, was not my fault. While I was working with him, I also found myself buying the condo I was renting which forced me to confront some major fears and do something I never dreamed of doing. I had a lousy realtor, and the process was highly unpleasant and traumatic, triggering anxiety and depression all over the place, but I made it through, I love the place, and I’m less neurotic about money than I was. Being creative, to me, conveys a sense of freedom, independence, and unconventionality. Don’t let your illnesses force you into a cage.

So, onto practical advice, although I realize you may not care for the concept of being practical. Do you knit, crochet, quilt, or sew? If so, have you considered finding out what it would take to design knitware, etc? For inspiration, I recommend America Knits, a book in which top knitting designers talk about how they got where they are and what inspires them. While it is specific to knitting, I think there are principles in the book which have wider applications. If there are stores around you which specialize in this sort of thing, talk to the people there about working there or doing some work for them. You may have to bring samples of what you’ve already done or make some if you don’t have any on hand, but it’s something to consider. Another thing you might want to try doing is going to a local arts festival and talking to the artists there about how they got where they were.

I’m afraid, though, if you’re going to get out of your parents’ house, though, planning is going to be inescapable. On the other hand, planning isn’t necessarily a boring grind, like writing an outline for a book report. I’m a programmer who knits and writes. For me, any piece of writing longer than a haiku takes a certain amount of planning, even if it’s working out what direction a poem is going to take as I’m taking it. When I’m knitting, taking an idea in a book and planning what colors or what patterns will go where and then going to a store and seeing the way things will work is part of the fun. When I’m programming, after the initial rush of bouncing ideas of ceilings and anything else with the boss, figuring out how I’m actually going to make the code do what I said it could do, seeing raw, airy ideas take concrete form and shape and the way logic fits into something elegant is also fun. I assure you, it’s much more fun than writing class definitions. A good friend of mine is an excellent photographer. I’ve seen both his landscapes and his macro photography. He’ll be the first to tell you that, while good photographs do sometimes happen spontaneously, good macro photography does take planning and patience, and can still be frustrated by a butterfly which won’t hold still!

burundi gave you some excellent advice earlier. Talk to your college’s career resource center, and try temp jobs. madhatter also mentioned something I’ve run into myself. The jobs which appear the most boring on the surface can free your mind so that you can indulge your creativity.

I will repeat a request others have made. Please do tell us your major and what you can actually do. This isn’t because we’re anal-retentive, Type A personalities, but because we need concrete information to be able to offer concrete help. Working in a vacuum, as we pretty much are, it’s all too easy to offer complete inappropriate advice.

Good luck!