http://www.taemag.com/docLib/20030909_iraqpollcrosstabs.pdf
http://www.taemag.com/docLib/20030905_IraqpollFrequencies.pdf
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17697/article_detail.asp
Is the debate behind door number 1, door number 2, or door number 3?
So, door 1 and 2 give you the raw data to a rather long article behind door 3…
Maybe SimonX you could sum it up a bit?
Cause actually it’s a poll on what Iraqis think/want. Thats a good question if you are wondering why the shoot at you.
Is Zogby a well known group or institute in polls ?
Zogby International is a pretty famous polling company. Here’s their website, if you’re interested.
Selected poll results are being bandied about somewhat recklessly.
I expect these numbers from the WSJ editorial will come back in several forms, so I thought that the raw data should be presented for the purposes of debates.
The conclusions being drawn from the numbers presented in the editorial are not always supported by the actual data. Some have said that things must be going well if Iraqis think that things will be better in five years. Obviously, the fact that Iraqi’s think things will be better in five years means that they think things will be better in five years. It doesn’t necessarily speak about their estimation of the current state of affairs, (other than they think that the present is worse than their expectations of the future).
Now, how exactly did they do this poll in 2002, when Saddam’s totalitarian regime was still running the country?
They must have called a “random” sample of Iraqis who had working phone service.
Where did you get the idea that the poll was conducted in 2002? My understanding was that it was last month.
The WSJ interpretation of the results is rather odd to put it mildly. As noted above the 5 years question isn’t really a measure of Iraqi support for the present state of affairs.
In addition:
“Evidence of the comparative gentleness of this war can be seen in our poll. Less than 30% of our sample of Iraqis knew or heard of anyone killed in the spring fighting. Meanwhile, fully half knew some family member, neighbor or friend who had been killed by Iraqi security forces during the years Saddam held power.”
So what? The war lasted a few weeks while Saddam’s rule lasted 25 years. In light of that the 30-50 difference is surprisingly small not large. The war may or may not have been “comparitively gentle” but this poll doesn’t provide evidence of it.
They claim that 37% of Iraqis prefer the US model. According to the OP’s link it’s 23%. The US is still the single largest country but considered that you have three Arab countries and Iran to split the vote I don’t think this means much. The total for the three Arab countries is 37%. Saudi Arabia at 17% is just a little behind the US. The US isn’t the “most popular model by far” as claimed by the WSJ?
They don’t mention one of the more inconvenient answers: when asked about whether the US and UK should help ensure whether there is a fair government in Iraq as opposed to leaving to the Iraqis alone 60% choose the Iraqis alone.
They try to brush away the 50% who think the US will hurt Iraq over 5 years by saying it’s “understandable” because of the war. But before the war the neo-cons were saying the Iraqis would be grateful to the US for “liberating” them. So how come it’s “understandable” that 5 months after the war there is still a lot of suspicion about the US?
Given the difficulties of polling in a place like Iraq you have to take this poll with a pinch of salt but even if you take it seriously it doesn't justify the rosy WSJ editorial.I’m going to go way out on a limb here and suggest it might possibly have been your title. Just a guess though.
I understood it was a typo. 
Just to add something… the comparisons of the poll are USA vs Saddam or USA vs Arab countries. Not exactly hard competition is it ? If the USA were doing so splendid a liberation these numbers should be way better.
I knew that. :o
Moderator’s Note: Corrected typo regarding date in thread title.
I wouldn’t expect them to respond with complete candor to some guy on the street who purports to be conducting a survey. If I had spent thirty odd years hiding my opinions on pain of Godonlyknowswhat…its not a habit I’d chuck aside the minute somebody shouts “Olly-olly-oxen-free”. And considering the competing strains of citizenry - Kurdish, Sunni, Sh’ite, etc. - I wonder if there really is such a thing as “Iraqi opinion”.
The ones shooting at our soldiers seem to have a pretty strong opinion.
According to a recent Zogby poll, four out of five Islamic terrorists are not in favor of the US intervention in Iraq.
By an odd coincidence, that corresponds roughly with the same proportion of the entire bloody world! Unless, of course, dat ol’ debbil libruhl media done been supressing scenes of all those thousands of people marching in the worlds capitals chanting “Yippie Skippy USA! Who else you gonna liberate today! Hooray!”
elucidator said something interesting… these poor iraqi have probably never answered a poll before or know what one is !! Wow… that must have been wierd for them. How many might have thought it was a trick of sorts and not sure what side they should “support” 
Zogby said that they used people w/ Eastern European experience to help them figure out how to elicit truthful responses. Whether they got truthful responses or not I can’t know. But, they did consider the issue and make efforts to deal with the problem.
There’re at least two other Iraqi polls out. One was sponsored by a Brit paper called the Spectator. I’m unfamiliar w/ this publication. I’m sure that a UK doper will be along to help us out re the paper’s rep. The other is by good ol’ Gallup. Gallup hasn’t been so kind as to release their data. They’ve released bit for publication,;but, the whole shebang isn’t available xpt for by Gallup subscription. The subscription explicitly prohibits reposting such info. Interstingly enough, when the questions were nearly the same, the poll results were nearly the same. I guess that that speaks well of the polling techniques. The SPectator poll and the Gallup poll are exclusively of Baghdadis. The Zogby poll avoided polling Iraqis for some reason. I haven’t examined the Zogby poll of 600 people to see if the cross section they used is roughly representative of the population of Iraq. The Gallup poll is of nearly 1200 Baghdadis, (IIRC). Spectator’s YouGov polled 800 Baghdadis.
Here’s a link about the Spectator’s YOuGov poll:http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/07/iraq-030717-voa04.htm
here’s a link to the YouGov poll:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/pdfs/iraqi_poll.pdf