Theory: we crave threats

In the year 2000 when I was first becoming manic, put myself into more and more risky situations…

You see I read some books by Ken Keyes that talk about being happy all the time.

You can see a scan of a page from one of his books here:

(from this thread: )

One of his main ideas is to have preferences rather than demands…

So if you don’t get what you prefer you feel neutral rather than having a negative emotion.

After I while I got good at that and only had extremely mild and short negative emotions. I also had a double dose of Zoloft every second day and none the other day… I believed that it allowed me to rapidly change my core behaviors/beliefs.

Ken Keyes says that we’re perfect observers viewing the drama of life where we are like characters on a stage. I thought that I’d change my behavior to whatever I felt like at the time rather than playing a normal role in life.

Anyway I became content with how things were going. Everyday life was bliss. But I wanted it to be even better. I turned the lounge of the 8 bedroom flat I lived in into a “pleasure palace”. I offered free Coke and cigarettes to whoever wanted them. I talked to strangers about the books I had been reading.

I wanted to visit people in prisons because I believed that they simply didn’t know the proper way to be happy. The main way to be happy in the books was to have love - to love and care about everyone.

Anyway I was trying to meet with the guy in charge of the prisons. First there was a receptionist behind some glass. They knew what I was studying in university - I think they were using facial recognition because I hadn’t ever had a history of bad/crazy behavior. They could have had the id photos in a database. They said that I needed to write a letter or something to get an appointment.

At the start of the night when I was taken to a mental hospital I thought to myself that I was prepared to sleep out on the streets. I wandered around in the bad part of town and met drug dealers and prostitutes. I visited the police station a few times asking where to find criminals. They said they’re all around that suburb. One strip club I tried getting into refused me entry. A club the police recommended me to turned out to be a gay club - I figured it out when I was given a free condom. The police thought what I was doing was dangerous but I said that it is ok for soldiers to go into battle. I was very alert and I had my hair greased back and I dressed like an assassin. I sometimes used deliberate body language… e.g. when they told me to get in the police car they told me to sit normally - I had my body really spread out.

They said to see a psychologist but I told them that I already had an appointment the next day. They said they wanted to take me in for “observation” and I assumed that they meant I’d be released after a few hours. They had to give me a few doses of sleeping tablets before I fell asleep. But before I did there was a noisy patient yelling near my bed. I opened the curtains near my bed really loudly and that made the guy become quiet.

If I had known the police send people to mental hospitals I would have been more careful with the police.

I think lately nothing much bad has been happening in my life. I had been escalating my threads a bit. But now there have been consequences - I can’t post about certain things until after July 1.

After I got out of the mental hospital I soon started saying some crazy things. But two of my flatmates didn’t like it and I got kicked out of my flat. I then stayed in my new room most of the time. I felt really suicidal and got Zoloft again. I had a big dose because apparently normally it takes 2 weeks to start working. I stayed very depressed for a few years.

So anyway, I think if there is no perceived danger to keep a person who is trying out new things, they will try out crazier and crazier things. After all novelty is a form of pleasure.

So fortunately there are concrete consequences for my posting behavior. My happiness didn’t depend on the approval of anonymous people. But it does depend on having a continued privilege of posting here.

BTW when I was manic I only slept every second night.

Soooooo, just to keep the Interest Quotient up until your enforced hiatus from talking about your SO ends, you posted this?

Hokay. Whatevs.

I was just reflecting on this type of thing and thought I’d share it while it was fresh in my mind.

Also earlier I posted about a computer game I made a while ago…

It’s got gore and nudity - but unfortunately I haven’t gotten any replies.

John, seriously, you should dial it back a few notches. You can’t have every post you make be about some aspect of your own life. Try just participating in some threads about general topics and talk about something that other people are talking about.

Yeah I guess that includes that game since it was me who made it.

Yeah I’ve tried a little of that. I’ll try it some more.

nevermind

Just to go on a bit of a tangent (after all this thread is mostly about my past) when I was seeing a psychologist when I started being depressed he said that he wanted to put a rocket under me.
When I started university I was very shy. I talked a bit with fellow math students. In my spare time I researched about whether young-earth creationism was true or godless evolution. I made a website that tried to look at the alternatives in a balanced way.
University was about the first time I was abused. I got an anonymous message on my local computer network that said I sucked. I replied that I agreed.
In school I avoided the parties of popular people and avoided most discos.

Anyway in the past I was extremely non-confrontational or attention-seeking. I wanted to be good. I was the dux of the school, though just barely. During recess I’d often go to the library.

Now I remember doing some bad stuff. I’d throw a large ball at my cat when I was about 10. I’d steal toys from schools and friends. When the school got a PC (it only had Apples before) I put on games like Doom and ROTT. I made a custom Duke3D level that involved you figuring out who you are. The options included a Christian (you warp to hell but use a bridge to cross over the lake of fire, then go to the new earth with trees of life), a Satanist (you eventually go to the lake of fire and die), a Mysticism believer (weird stuff), a disco dancer (you get trapped and drown) or Duke Nukem (you have a tough fight but see the finale).

I think it is good that I’m reflecting on my current and past life though. Though when I used to do that, including in my early 20’s I just kept on wishing that I could go back to school and do things differently.

BTW when I go to church (even though I don’t really believe in gods) I don’t really connect with what they’re saying about having sins. I think I’m an ok guy and don’t really need Jesus to save me. So then I don’t feel amazed about God’s grace. When I was in school I also didn’t really feel ashamed of myself. Then I felt like a creep in university. So if I had been a Christian in university I think I would have understood the gospel message properly.

BTW about shame… I used to see a chiropractor - well he wasn’t technically one because he has been kicked out of the professional association. He was unhappy that I was depressed. He got a new agey friend to do reiki on me. He said I had a problem with my throat. I wasn’t very talkative and I had a history of talking very quietly.
Later when I was feeling a bit better he said that I shouldn’t have any shame. I asked what if I was nude in public and he disagreed and got really angry.
This is related to my life long problem with saying swear-words. Most of my friends could say them and sometimes tried to get me to say them.

I think the forum is appropriate “Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share”

Without the least bit of snark, John… are you currently under professional care and when was the last time you had your symptoms reviewed and meds adjusted?

I am about as far from being an expert on these matters as one can possibly get, but it strikes me as if you’re going through a particularly difficult patch right now. Please consult with your doctor right away.

You’ve had some times, dude. You say your better now than before. Do you miss it?

Why does the thread title contain the term ‘we’?

Sybil?

JohnClay, the prohibition on talking about sex and relationships was intended to get you to stop posting these self-absorbed, TMI posts.

I hereby extend that prohibition to starting threads about psychology, your own or others.

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

Making comments like this doesn’t help.