You wanna talk makeup… in Theatre, the stage makeup we use is so fucking thick that it adds another couple millimeters to the width of your face. EXTREMELY heavy eyeliner, makeup, blush, powder, shading… for both men and women. When you’re working on a stage production, every-single-person you work with looks like a “whore”… know why? 'Cuz it’s necessary in Theatre.
The first thing you learn when taking a stage makeup class is how to accentuate certain features. That’s exactly the point of makeup… you draw attention to the features that you want to draw attention to. Think you have nice eyes? Eye-liner/shadow. Think your lips are the bee’s knees? Lipstick. Want compliments on your cheekbones? You get the idea.
While it’s absolutely not needed for anybody to wear makeup, it’s just another method of a person feeling comfortable. I, for example, don’t wear makeup, because it doesn’t help me feel comfortable. However, I do wear loose, floppy clothing, because I feel VERY comfortable in them. Am I less of a person because I don’t show off every unpleasant curve and every fattened lump of my body? I dare you to tell me so.
Its the idea that every woman should work to please WB. I’m neutral on makeup. Personally, I don’t have the talent or wish to wear it.
Also personally, I do take offence to being told that this automatically makes me a less desireable person, to everyone.
WB has not met me in person. WB does not live in my life. WB does not wake up in bed next to me or rub my shoulders when I feel tired. WB has nothing to stand on to say that every woman looks better with makeup and he certainly has no right to tell the people who disagree with him that they are lying.
Just like no one really has anything to stand on if they say no woman should wear makeup. wear what you want. I just get miffed when I’m told that wearing what I want is not what I should be doing.
Wow. I am completely amazed at how poorly I fared trying to put my thoughts into words there. Wow.
monster: The quote was from the thread you linked. I think it was from techchick. So, no worries there.
jarbabyj: I absolutely not calling you a hypocrite. My point was that some of people posting in your linked thread with the off-hand derision aimed at those who wear makeup (like yourself), probably posted in Anthracite’s thread saying that people shouldn’t flame others for the way they look.
So, no, I’m totally on your side on this one. I obviously didn’t make that clear, though.
One more time I will type very slowly. ::bill types slowly:: I was kidding about the tummy tuck it was a joke I am sorry you didn’t find it funny other people did.
I knew podkayne didn’t like me but I thought you did bunnygirl. Like I said I was kidding about the tummy tuck I don’t tell wife things like that. I do think she looks better with makeup becuase it bring out her green eyes better.
Sunshine,
I am sorry you ticked off by my post and I will have you know I am not hairy.
I dunno, Jarb. I tend to think that one would have to be a little oversensitive to take offense from this posting. But I’ve always been in favor of people who say “this is who I am, for better or for worse, so deal with it.” Now, that person may or may not have makeup on, plastic surgery, corrective orthotics, or whatever.
Or am I missing something? It certainly would not be the first time.
QTM, who likes a little make-up once in a while, but the wife gets mad when I use up her skin cream.
I wore make up at 10 years of age.
Though, it was late sixties and I wore white lipstick! Also eye make up.
Nowadays I wear foundation; i have to.
I have rosacea, which makes my cheeks and nose pink, so foundation covers it up.
I also love black eye lining pencil, above and below my eyes.
my 2 cents
Yoiks - I didn’t make my comment as a shot at anyone. It’s merely my personal attitude - I don’t use make up or have my hair styled fashionably or dress in the latest whatever. In fact, I figure if people chose to associate with me looking as I do, then it must be because they accept me for me and they’re not just surrounding themselves with beautiful people. I’ve got some old issues to resolve… <sigh>
jarbaby, I most certainly don’t think any differently of you, or anyone else, because you wear makeup. I have enjoyed your posts and you have frequently cracked me up. I like to think that if I ever met you, I’d not change my opinion based on your appearance. In any case, I’m sorry if I offended you. I’m really not a snot… well, not when I can help it.
jarbabyj, as others have said, great rant. The only reason I don’t wear makeup is that I break out every time I do, no matter how carefully I clean my face afterwards. Just do waht makes YOU feel good!
Thanks fairy. I was being oversensitive yesterday, I’ll admit it. I’m sorry if I made a mountain out of a molehill. I just wanted to make it clear that I see myself as a natural, casual, laid back ‘chick’ who just happens to wear makeup every day.
I don’t want to hijack jarbaby’s thread, but Wildest Bill, if you’d like apologize, just apologize. Just like a smilie doesn’t make a joke harmless, “I’m sorry” doesn’t make an apology when you follow up with things like “get a life” and “everybody else thought it was funny.” And you wonder why people don’t like you?
If you really want to apologize, try again. Or if you just think you’re right and I’m wrong, shut up about it. I think everyone knows what you feel.
Now I am confused. Should someone apologize for someone else lack of finding something funny or should they apologize for not being able to see the humor in something? Well?
Boy, did I know that was way up there on the ‘liable to be mis-interpreted’ scale. (Thanks QTM, for the defense!)
I said this, in effect: Be who you are. If that includes make-up (though I admit, make up doesn’t do it for me)(even when I used to wear some regularly, Oh the early 80s were a fun and interesting time to be a teen) then it does. But so many people use such things to hide who they are…and that’s just a bad bad thing.
I first came around to this during the 80s. I’d color my hair, I’d wear make up, I got my ears pierced (before it was common for guys), I bought ‘New Romantic’ clothes. But what I came to realize is that, looking alternative is not the same as being altnerative. Punk isn’t a look (or it shouldn’t be) it’s an attitude. And far too many people attempt the look without understanding the fundamental cause behind the look. Posers (part-time punks, as we called them back in the day) are just playing ‘dress up’ and go back to their lives without a thought after the show. Gradually, I’ve taken to applying that same thought to all people who would rather play at being something rather than being it. And that especially applies to people who would rather play at being a person rather than actually being one.
So I won’t recant that statement nor will I apologize for it. To me, it’s the truth.
If I could answer that one. How does makeup help self esteem? The same way putting muscles on a guy helps his self esteem. You feel you look better and that makes you feel better about yourself. Gives you more confidence to go out in the world. So I think that same thing applies to makeup for women.
