I didn’t say you wouldn’t like me. I’m trying to help ME like me.
jarbaby
jarbabyj, I am just like you. I don’t leave the house without make up. And I mean, I wear powder, blush, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, lipstick. I am not ashamed of this at all. I look much, much better with make up on, as I am a red head with blotchy, pale skin. My eyelashes do not exist without mascara. I am totally with you on this.
There are people in this world who do not need make up. I envy these people. I love it when they tell me not to wear it, that I don’t need it, because it’s such a nice, white lie. The reason I look decent most days is because I go out of my way to manufacture the decency. Hey, that was a weird sentence.
But aside from that, ya know, I just don’t mind the make up one bit, not one smidge. It’s my brightly-colored plumage. It makes me feel really comfortable with myself.
Thank you Sophie. I agree. And you know what? I think it’s fun! I love trying new makeup and buying new makeup and going to the counters at the stores and getting advice.
Perhaps its the actress in me, but I think putting on makeup is a lot of fun.
jarbaby
I see you’re not interested in apologizing. That’s fine.
I see that you expect me to apologize. Don’t hold your breath.
Certainly, some people seem to. To each his own. You’ve given me no reason to like you.
I think I’ll just go back to ignoring you, Bill. You’re bad for my blood pressure.
Have a nice day.
Makeup IS fun! Personally, I don’t leave the house without a little concealer, eyeshadow and mascara. Lipstick used to be part of the routine, but I’ve been feeling kinda blah recently.
I really don’t get what the fuss is all about. jarbabyj, I agree that the tone of some people in the other thread was slightly condescending to women choosing to wear makeup; i.e. “I don’t really care whether women wear makeup or not, but I don’t get why you would”-- like it’s a slightly bizarre, unreasonable thing to do, akin to insisting on wearing only purple socks (or any other slightly bizarre, unreasonable thing). Whatever. Makeup is cool. MAC is fun. Heck, going into a Walgreen’s and checking out all the makeup is a good time. Those who don’t get it, don’t get it. Those who do are having fun cruising the makeup section of department stores checking out the newest colors for fall.
Someone should apologize when they say hurtful things that upset other people. Even if they meant it as a joke. Sometimes what one person finds funny another person doesn’t, and the appropriate response to that is “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings,” with no qualifiers like “But it was just a joke, where’s your sense of humor?” Having respect for other people’s feelings is a really nice quality to develop.
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Naw you are flying off the handle. I didn’t say I wasn’t interested in apologizing I just wondered if proper humor etiquette requires me too. If it does, I will. So will the knowlegable etiquette humore dopers out there please give us a ruling on this. I’d appreciate it.
Funny I will apologize if I am deemed wrong on this but are you saying that you will not if you are?
Give it time people say I grow on them slowly kinda like a fungus. :: bill thinks to himself if that is a good thing or not::
Or you could just the proper medication for it so you won’t miss anything exciting. 
Its going to be harder to have one knowing that you are pissed at me.
Ok geobabe,
So are you telling me that comedians like Eddie, David Spade, Leno and Letterman spend their night telling jokes about people and their days apologizing to those people for doing so?
Podkayne,
Looks like you are up by 1. I would like to see some more opinions on this before I do so.
What I am telling you has nothing to do whatsoever with people who make their living telling jokes. What I am telling you is that when you are personally interacting with someone, and they inform you that what you have said is hurtful, you should immediately and unconditionally apologize. Period.
And let me also add that other people finding your joke funny does not invalidate the need for an apology to the person you have hurt.
Oh dear. Y’all I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but makeup IS evil. I just painted my nails two days ago, and the polish is chipping all over everything! [sniff] I was just horrified to realize that I’d yet again forgotten why I don’t fool with nail polish other than to use it to patch up runs in my No-Nonsense pantyhose. [giggle] I put time and effort into painting my nails, and dangit, now they look WORSE not better! Where is the justice? Why doesn’t nail polish like me? 
I have to make some hard decisions now, and I need your support in my hour of need. I’ve removed the polish, rather than leave it on and let it chip off wherever it may, but how do I keep myself from sucuumbing to painting my nails again after I’ve forgotten the trauma of having to leave the house with my nails unpainted? Do I just throw out my bottles of polish, or post a sign over them saying “RESERVED ONLY FOR PATCHING RUNS IN YOUR PANTYHOSE?” Dopers, I need your help in this matter.
Warning: This post is 100% silliness guaranteed and not meant to make anyone who indulges regularly in painting their nails or any other part of their bodies feel bad about being addicted to nail polish.
So you are telling me if someone makes their living telling jokes it is ok for them to offend people ok. Just curious geobabe do you know what the joke was? If not, I will tell you.
Someone said something to the effect that wildest bill you probably would like to get your wife’s nose fixed and tummy tuck while your at it. I simple typed:
“Her nose is fine a tummy tuck might be nice.” 
How is that comment “hurtful” to podkayne? I just don’t get it. I didn’t tell podkayne a tummy tuck might be nice on her I said it about “my” wife. So how is that hurtful to her?
Bill, your joke was hurtful to Podkayne because she found it offensive and/or insensitive, and she told you so. It really doesn’t matter that the comment was not directed at her. All you needed to do was say “Sorry that what I said upset you,” rather than try to justify it by saying that other people found it funny. I’m sure it’s true that other people did indeed find it funny, but that doesn’t matter.
I like to make jokes and sometimes they are at another person’s expense. Sometimes everyone thinks what I said was funny. When that happens, that’s great and life is good. But every once in a while the person I was making fun of gets upset, or another person does. When that happens, I say, “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings” or “I’m sorry that I upset you” and life is good again.
It doesn’t take anything at all away from me to say it, even though my hurting of the other person’s feelings was completely unintended because what I said was meant as a joke. Even if I think the other person was overreacting or being too sensitive, I still apologize, because it is more important for me to be considerate of others’ feelings than to be right.
WB, if you are looking for an opinion, make that up by two. Your OP and “joke” were offensive and demeaning in general and to me in specific. I hope your wife loves you in spite of the fact that you want her to have major body changing sugery. I don’t see how one can joke about wanting a major painful change in the one they love.
“Yea, I adore my SO, but he should cut his arms off and replace them with prothesis!”
With even a bit of truth to it, its horrid. There are places for really horrible humor, defending yourself against accusations of callowness is not one of them.
(If you were on trial for rape would you say “But she was asking for it!” grin like an idiot and then tell people they had no sense of humor?)
My coppers.
Bill, I do not require an apology from you. You didn’t hurt my feelings, in particular, I just found your remarks disgusting and said so. I feel that what you said reflects very badly on you, Bill, and you ought to be ashamed of them, rather than be proud of the fact that a few people laughed along–but that’s just my opinion.
You seemed to be making overatures toward an apology by saying “excuse me” and “I’m sorry,” but then weasling out of actually admitting your joke was in poor taste. I was just saying, if you want to apologize, apologize–but that’s not what you wanted, and that’s fine. If you don’t want to apologize, don’t.
I think that you realize how much it would hurt your wife if you told her your little joke, because you say you would never do that. If you wouldn’t say it to her, then why is it okay to say it about her to other people? If you’ll agree to think about that for a few minutes, and maybe think about that the next time you’re going to make a joke at someone else’s expense, that’s worth more to me than the words “I’m sorry.”
Bill, I implore you, for the good of all humanity give it up, please
Just when I started winning 4 to 3 against Podkayne. ::sigh::
But for you jarbabyj ok I will hang it up it did go a little to far huh. I guess I take my humor seriously. But not before apologizing to you for the massive hijack of this thread though. Sorry.
Bill, it’s insensitive because it’s not a joke how women today are harassed and pressured and made to feel inadequate about their looks. Why do you think eating disorders are so prevelant? (did I spell that right?)
How would you feel if your wife told you to go out and get a nose job-that she’d love you more if you did? Or that she preferred you have a larger penis?
Or any balls at all?
I think I would try one of those penis enlargers that Austin Powers had first. But seriously, if she said it as a joke, I would laugh. Period.
If she was serious, I would still still laugh and come back with what I lack there I can make up in other places.
Do you realize that in most social circles a woman who doesn’t wear makeup will be treated, at best, as slightly bizarre and unreasonable? Most women wear at least some makeup at least some of the time. That’s the status quo. It’s normal. The rest of society gives its wholehearted approval to women who wear makeup, so I don’t see getting upset because a few posters on a message board aren’t willing to applaud you for it too.