Isn’t the line “When we last met…” not “when I left you…”?
That is correct. You can see a few other Corvettes in RotJ as the Rebel fleet is hyperspacing to Endor.
Hmm, maybe a teenaged Leia “borrowed” her dad’s starship to go to a party in another system, got drunk, and crashed it, so it had to be taken to a body shop. What do you suppose the deductible is on something like that?
No. I did rewatch A New Hope, and it is “When I left you…”. I was also reminded of another line from the originals that doesn’t quite fit with the prequels: “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since before you were born”. Yes he has, and it seems a strange thing to lie about.
Also, Tarkin’s line “Surely [Obi-Wan] must be dead by now”. He’s not that old: He’s what, 30, maybe 40, in Revenge of the Sith? If Tarkin had skipped “by now”, then I could see it; it might seem to him that if Obi-Wan did survive the purges of the Jedi, he would have made his presence known by now, but adding “by now” makes it seem like he believes Obi-Wan should have died of old age.
Forgot to mention that I actually liked how they explained where C3P0 and R2D2 went and why they were hanging around Princess Leia on the Tantive IV, but I would still have preferred if the two droids hadn’t been in the prequels at all.
As I posted earlier, I loved Revenge of the Sith, but while we’re all nitpicking, another continuity error on Lucas’ part was to have Anakin lose his remaining organic arm because in Return of the Jedi, after Luke cuts one of his hands off during their duel, Vader holds the stump and seems to be in pain. Why would he be in pain over a robotic limb being severed?
Anyway, I don’t really care about all that. I still enjoyed the movie immensely.
I’ve never seen that he seems to be in pain, and it’s very clear that it is in fact a robotic limb. You see the machinery. Luke looks at the stump, then at his own mechanical hand, realizes what he is doing, and returns to the Light Side.
I don’t think there was much. Remember that Anikin has been harboring resentment towards Obi-Wan and the Jedi council for years over various perceived slights and non-recognition of his abilities/usefulness (in fact, I don’t think he ever got over his resentment of the council refusing to train him as a child). Plus Palpatine has been planting seeds of doubt about the Jedi order in his mind for a long time; all the while telling him how great and powerful he is and how much more powerful he could be. Anikin always had a great desire for power. A little too ambitious for his own good.
I have a feeling that if Mace had let Anikin come along to arrest Palpy instead of telling him to sit and wait like a little kid things may have turned out differently. Or it may have at least delayed his turning for a while longer.
He’s old. Is he supposed to recall the precise details of everything? No one called him Obi-wan in the birthing room anyhow.
Thinking about it, I’m ecstatic about the fact that he never said, “My, I think I’ll go by Ben now. I’ve always liked that name.”
I agree. However, did you see him when he was pledging allegiance? His eyes were all funny, like he was under a spell. I think there was more than mixed feelings and Palpatine’s deceit in his turn.
He knows Obi-wan indirectly only, and is always trying to discount Vader’s ‘hokey religion’ anyhow. I hardly think he keeps track of the ages and birthdays of dormant jedi.
PICK THEM NITS
That doesn’t explain Vader’s reply.
Tarkin: Surely he must be dead by now?
Vader: Don’t underestimate the power of the Force.
Vader here implies that Obi-Wan has managed to stay alive through his mastery of the Force. Tarkin may not have known Obi-Wan, but Vader certainly did.
I got three pages into this thread before I got too annoyed to read any further.
Not too annoyed to post my opinion, though! I liked the movie an awful lot. I see it not as the end of the first trilogy, but as a prologue to the next one. And after this and the “Clone Wars” series, I actually like Star Wars again!
I think all the nit-picking and talking about continuity errors (there aren’t any significant continuity errors, as far as I’m concerned) are getting into Star Trek/science fiction territory, instead of looking at the movies as movies – big, spectacular, melodramatic fantasy stories. Revenge of the Sith delivered exactly that.
And as we all know, according to d20 rules, armor interferes with arcane spellcasting.
Best line (which I’m probably slightly misquoting)
“Good relations I have with the wookiees.”
Ot was it. . .
“Good relations with the wookiees I have.”
Either way, hilarious.
Anyway. . .I thought RotS was the best Star Wars movie out of all 6.
Not only was it better than all the rest, it really made the others better as I think back on them. A lot of the stuff in AotC now makes more sense. As I think back on the discovery on Anakin and his growth and attitude through Ep I & II, it carries a lot more weight and sadness. I mean, we all knew he was going to turn into Darth, but because he was manipulated into it – not because of his inherent EVIL, but really because of his LOVE – it was that much more tragic.
Again, just like TPM and AotC, the action sequences DWARF anything from the OT, except possibly the Battle for Hoth. The landscapes, cityscapes and interiors were again beautiful and flawless.
The worst parts of the movie were the crap he shoehorned in to keep the NerdClone Army from a violent internet uprising.
Yoda: “Oh, by the way, Obi-Wan. . .I have to get this in before the end of the movie because of the nerds. . .I think that Qui-Gon has learned to communicate from the dead. . .work on that while you’re chillin’ on Tatooine.”
He might as well have turned to the camera after that and said, “There, will that make you dorks shut up for two friggin’ seconds?”
It’s especially upsetting that people who are criticizing the movie for logic holes are apparently the same ones who miss things like the juxtaposition of Yoda escaping Palpatine with Anakin attacking Obi-Wan (as AndyPolley aptly pointed out), or that Jedi’s go for the arm (wow, we’ve only seen that since they were in Mos Eisley in A NEW HOPE. I guess it really snuck up on ya.).
What’s with people saying that Anakin’s “turn” was too quick? He’s been turning since the first 20 minutes of AotC. There’s been about 30 scenes in the last two movies, each one “turning” him a little more (and that’s not counting the hints in TPM).
I’m really sorry that people who probably started out as fans just like me have been unable to enjoy the last 3 movies because they went off the deep end in the interim 20 years. Next time you see a MOVIE you enjoy, try not to turn it into your new religion.
ANH : 7
ESB : 9
RotJ : 7
TPM : 7
AotC : 9
RotS : 10
You want a logic hole and some crappy dialogue?
“we used to bullseye womprats back home in beggar’s canyon and they weren’t much bigger than 2 meters.”
Oh yeah, Luke, did you also have bulls in Beggar’s Canyon from which you drew that expression?
Geez, Trunk, excuse us for caring enough about the series to have an opinion.
You’re right about the “bullseye” comment, but of course if we’re going to nitpick on that level, how is it that everyone is speaking English? How is it that time and again we hear some species speaking in an incomprehensible tongue only to have one of the human characters reply in English and in fact carry on a conversation with them? If the aliens know “english”, why not speak it? If the “humans” know the alien languages, why not speak to them in their native tongues? The easy answer is that somehow they all have tiny universal translator devices in their ears like little hearing aids, I suppose, but then again why does C3PO talk about “human” behavior in AOTC? Of course this level of nitpicking is ridiculous; we go into movies like this being willing to suspend our disbelief to some extent. It’s when the movies are not consistent within the “rules” that the series sets up that people usually find problems.
It’s one thing to hear and decode language, it’s quite another to encode and speak it. Wookiees don’t have the anatomy to produce Basic (“english”), but that doesn’t preclude them from hearing and understanding it.
[sub]Sorry, nitpick over[/sub]
Well… I thought it was a great way to finish the saga (or reach the middle - depending on your point of view)
I didn’t care too much for TPM when I first saw it - - but I excepted the story for what it was… I loved ATOC when I watched it ( I saw it twice at the cinema - which I rarely do with films ) - - I still haven’t watched TPM start to finish in one sitting since I saw it at the cinema… so…
I’ll admit I couldn’t wait for ROtS and I bought and read the book first- - now I don’t know if this helped my enjoyment - or not… at some parts I felt the film was pausing for too long… and I was like… come on… Order 66… and at other points it felt that things happened too quickly - - What happened to Dooku? blink and you miss it…
but I need to see it again, to really be sure - - I’m just not ready yet - - I’m still under the effects of the first viewing…
I agree with a lot of the nit picks - - and disagree with a lot of the comments about bad acting…
I didn’t think Portman was bad at all…
It’s a shame the love story didn’t really come across in ATOC - but we ALL new it was important - George kept saying so…
so I just went with it… when you allow yourself to do that - this really works - - and I’m sure for less cynical children this will definitely be a story they’ll remember…
and the moral…
Never Fall In Love…
first off it turns you evil… and gets you burned -and you might lose your will to live…
and even if that works out for you - just when you’re about to have ultimate power it will make you throw it all away and sacrifice yourself…
stupid sexy love, feels like I’m feeling nothing at all…
Except, that’s the thing. . .you DON’T care about the series. You’re unable to watch movies made with passion and vision because you care about CANON and continuity.
You care about the 8 million things people have talked about between RotJ and TPM.
You care about some series of novels that have nothing to do with the movies.
You care about being at the first screening.
You care about “droid amnesia” and mitichloroids and whether Darth Vader would yell “yippee” and whether the light passing through Yoda’s ears is translucent enough.
Worst of all, you care about upholding the recent movies to an impossible of standard of your worship of the first three, not the first three themselves.
The series, you don’t care about.
You go watch Phantom again. EVERYTHING people hated in that movie was present in the OT and everything we liked about the OT was better in Phantom. I’ve never seen such a blatant example of group-think as when the first dork walked out of Phantom menace, and went “well, that sucked” and it spread like a virus.
oh… and while I’m here - - one thing no-one has seemed to mention (I only read the first 5 pages sorry )…
Luke Skywalker lives on Tatooine for 18 years or so… over which time, no-one mentions… “Hey, are you related to Anakin Skywalker - the only human to ever win the Boonta Eve race” - - “Yeah - he was a big hero in the clone wars - a Jedi…” - - “Didn’t he go mental and kill a bunch of younglings???”
of course the last one is less likely - from ROtS only Padme, Threepio, Bail Organa, Yoda and Obi Wan know it was Anakin that did all that - Padme’s dead, threepio - wiped, and the rest - presumably don’t tell anyone…
but I always wondered - - what did Obi Wan tell Owen and Berut???
in ANH, when Berut says “There’s too much of his father in him” - -and Owen says “That’s what I’m afraid of” – -or near enough… are they just remembering the whole Slaughtered the sand people thing?
When does Obi-Wan find out Vader has been built a suit of Black armour - ?
The truth, I think. On the other hand, Beru could say “too much of his father in him” with a little smile, so it doesn’t seem likely that she knew his father was a mass murderer.
Palpatine told Yoda that Anakin had been given the name Darth Vader, and after that Obi-Wan and Yoda met, and that seems like the kind of thing Yoda would mention, and Darth Vader was probably pretty famous in the Empire. Word gets 'round.
There are nerves/pain receptors in the artificial limbs. Otherwise how would they know how much pressure to use when holding something, or when they accidentally grab the wrong end of a lightsaber. In ESB, Luke flinched when the medical droid was testing out the Luke’s new hand (I think he even winces in pain.) Then in ROTJ, Luke is shot in the hand and he withdraws it like it hurt as well. It probably did sting like the dickens when Vader had his hand lopped off (of course you’d think he’d have been used to that kinda thing. Amputation seems pretty common when you’re a Jedi.)
I don’t think anyone on Tattoine knew about Anakin becoming a Jedi except for Watto, his mother, and the Lars family.
Maybe, but the reason that Mace didn’t want Aanakin there was because he was uncertain of his loyalties. Turns out his suspicions were well grounded, but his decision to exclude Aanakin played right into the Emperor’s hands by creating more suspicion and doubt in Aanakin’s mind.