I guess you missed the OP, where he says people saying the flag shouldn’t be flown are ignoring history? Or how Tibby is saying that it’s okay for ignorant Southerners to fly the flag? (Of course, Shag’s post about how it’s just a piece of cloth that shouldn’t matter, and that it seems so stupid to care about it that he would almost believe it was a conspiracy hadn’t been posted yet.)
Or the fact that Shagnasty says his post is just about what has happened in the past week–and the only thing that has gone on in the past week is that Southerners have been condemned for flying the flag?
I know you want to take the flag out of this, because you can’t argue it isn’t racist. But it’s an integral part of the issue. The fact that this flag is flown–the fact that there even are people who don’t know it’s racist because it’s been flown so long–that is one of the biggest reasons people think the South is much more racist.
I guess you’re unfamiliar with the linear flow of time. The OP brought it up in passing, and simply states that going after it the Dukes of Hazzard isn’t going to appreciably change the level of racism in the in the country. If you disagree with that, I don’t know what I can do for you. As far as I can tell, the other statements came after the post you quoted.
Wrong, accusatory douchenozzle. I want it gone because I think it’s a shitty fucking symbol of some shitty people who did some shitty fucking things. I’ve never advocated anyone to fly it or use it, and the sooner it is gone, the sooner stupid people like you will have to move past it and actually look at the root of the problem, and not just its outward signs.
This is an incredibly juvenile and simplistic analysis of what really happened – it was more like “this terrible thing happened, and the murderer used a symbol that many people rationally and reasonably consider a symbol of racist oppression… while this won’t fix the problem, maybe we should take down this symbol from state property because so many people reasonably find it offensive, and it really does represent racism to lots and lots of people, and this should have been done long ago… so let’s do it”.
What’s the problem with this? Why does it bother you so much?
Ha ha ha! Here we are: Without talking about the confederate shit flag, stop making the South out to be some unique villian. Ha! You know that one, huge, absolutely unique thing? Yeah, let’s not talk about that.
The problem is that no one in this thread has tried to make any counterarguments for displaying the flag outside of some places like museums so I don’t see why people people keep acting like they are scoring points against an opponent that never even showed up to the fight. Do you honestly think that most of the bigoted talk. mean-spirited jokes and actions against the South will go away if we just get rid of some flags? If so, I am all for it. I wish all prejudice was that easy to remedy.
Bigoted? Bigoted against The South? How about if The South took down the flag, and admitted what it stood for, and apologized to the African Americans who, to this day, are intimidated by The State when the piece of shit is flown?
Shagnasty’s understanding of this matter has not improved one bit since when he thought that there were no major slave ports in the south and the Mason-Dixon line was the product of a feud.
Again, the problem remains a complete inability to face the matter realistically. According to him, either the flag is not at all relevant, or it is the one thing that will get rid of racism.
You might want to do to check your facts before calling someone else out on theirs. The Mason-Dixon line was the result of a family feud. That was not a mistake or ignorance on my part. I should have called you on your counter-assertion earlier.
Thinking more about it, the excluded middle seems about the limit of logic for people like Shagnasty. Either the flag is irrelevant or it solves everything. Either all places are equivalently racist, or there is no racism in the North.
Simplistic hand waving is probably easier than coping with reality.
I understand the middle position just fine and it is one I mostly advocate myself. However, I also think it is red herring and a convenient one at that. Hardly anyone was talking about battle flags two weeks ago but now it is one of the most imperative social issues of our day. Take it down or not. I don’t really care personally because I don’t have any but don’t pretend it is an urgent issue either because that is just another example of media driven reactionary nonsense. A few weeks from now it will be something completely different. It is the equivalent of a ribbon campaign. They can be nice gestures that make people feel like they are making a real difference but they really aren’t especially in the long-term. The real issues are much harder to deal with so of course people pick the path of least resistance and try to pretend they have found a ‘solution’ even if it is only marginally related to the larger problem.
