Oh, darlin’, give it a rest. I answered, you misunderstood. Don’t be making up crowds that didn’t exist. I don’t respond to goads and you are trying to goad me to go round that same circle another couple dozen times. Not. Gonna. Do. It. Not in this thread and not if you follow me around for months, hounding me.
Now this jumped right off the page and hit me in the face.
I think if you really believed that medication dose errors were the cause of his mood, and contributed to his actions, from everything I recall about your other posts, you would be much less likely to tote a grudge around for this long.
Think about it. Ignore it if you wish, or think about it and just don’t comment. But there is more to this than a lack of . . . respect for him. You sound hurt to me. More hurt than I would expect from an interaction between strangers. You don’t want an apology. (I admit that Lib doesn’t seem to be able to stop talking about an apology, and actually offer one without checking to see if it will be accepted, but that’s a separate matter.)
It can’t change unless someone sits down first and thinks about it before posting, and just puts into words how much it hurt. How can I apologize for hurting you, if I don’t really know where you hurt. And then there is the frightening possibility that there will be an apology, sincere, and offered from a genuine desire to heal. Giving up a grudge is very hard. Admitting how much we desire to hate is pretty hard too. But it isn’t at all uncommon.
Good people get themselves into very bad one way streets.
Stopping is the first step in backing up.
Tris
Yes, and I have acknowledged that.
As for me ‘pointing a finger’, I don’t see where I mentioned anyone specifically, which is what I mean by ‘point a finger’. Not sure how you mean it.
Um. Hello? What I have ‘told they shouldn’t do’ is attack people personally.
Well that’s funny. If I’m giving my opinion as a reaction, what difference does it make to you?
You didn’t answer a fucking thing, and you are a shameless liar to pretend otherwise.
A perfect example of your dissembling bullshit. Who said anything about crowds? I said “other interlocutors.” You’ve pulled that trick more than once in this thread. Do you think no one sees it?
Are you asserting that no other posters asked the same question of you? Shall I link to the posts in question, and have you link to your imaginary response?
Whatever makes you happy, dear.
So what? His post clearly fosters hatred and meanspiritedness – quite a shocking amount of it – qualities you (allegedly) deplore, and an apology would clearly be in order. Your failure to castigate him as eagerly as you’ve presumed to castigate others can only underscore your hypocrisy.
You are under no obligation to respond. When you are tired and headachy, poor thing, don’t feel you have to continue to post. Because when you do (at the rate of on average once every 20 minutes for 15 plus hours), then it is completely laughable to see you bleat about how utterly, utterly tiresome it is.
Couple of things:
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I find it very telling, and not in a good way, that when you correctly realize that your established M.O. of viciously attacking and then apologizing would be recognized for what it is, you elected to distinguish present behavior from past behavior by sticking with the outbursts of vitriol but omitting the apology. This is not an improvement over the old status quo.
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Though your new young padwan champion wouldn’t know about that past behavior (attack then apologize, now apparently changed to attack and then don’t apologize) because she’s been here approximately two minutes, you at least have enough intellectual honesty to admit that this is part of your reputation here based on how you have behaved in the past. I don’t expect her to pay attention to the fact that even you yourself recognize that your posts have in the past been, ah, let’s say"problematic," but it is a point in your favor to see that you yourself concede as much. The problem, IMO, is that you do concede as much, repeatedly, just as you repeatedly profess yourself an erring Christian stumbling in your attempts to follow Christ – but then your behavior doesn’t change. The vitriol still gets poured out, the stumbling (falling ass-over-teakettle, really) becomes so obvious and pervasive that the effort to stop doing it seems perfuctory at best. IOW, what you say sounds like bullshit in light of what you do. IMO of course.
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I only alluded to your attack on ETF to demonstrate QG’s hypocrisy, not to revive a dead issue between ETF and you. But however people might perceive an apology, whether she accepts an apology, whether the apology is used as a weapon against you or not – none of those after-the-fact considerations have fuck-all to do with whether an apology is warranted. And IMO conditioning an apology as being in the offing if necessary to “bury the hurt” is weaselly. Regardless of whether she accept or not, you ought to recognize that your behavior was beyond the pale and you owe her an apology. Whether she accepts it or not is up to her; having read how long and for how little reason you have nursed this particular grudge, I wouldn’t bet the ranch on an acceptance.
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Bingo.
How would you have me do that? I said it was snarky and that I’d have words with him if I saw it again. He admitted it was wrong. Are you all about continuing to beat up on someone even after after he admits wrong?
I’ve ‘castigated’, have I?
Well, I don’t know about you, but in my life as an adult, I’m often required to do things which are tiresome and to persevere at them. Certain aspects of my job are tiresome. I do them anyway.
This thread happens to go to one of my more dear philosophies and so I feel obligated to participate in the discussion rather than abandon it.
You never back down from your point, do you? If you have acknowledged that, then why not admit that you don’t really know what the whole story is, and that it doesn’t make sense for you to come in and try to arbitrate it?
You pointed it at those who you perceived to be overly attacking Liberal. Perhaps you didn’t mention any names, but the point was clear. One side was in the wrong, and the other was in the right. That, to me, is fingerpointing. And the point was that you did so without knowing what was going on.
Again, this is the Pit. It’s what happens here. If you are planning to try to eradicate personal attacks in this forum, you have a long uphill climb. (And BTW, this habit you have of starting posts with “um” really sounds kind of snotty. I think you should give that up.)
Well, it doesn’t, actually. But the point is that you seem to be missing the point of the Pit. If you want everyone to hold hands in here and sing Kumbaya, it’s just not going to happen. No skin off my nose if you want to devote your entire SDMB existance to this cause, it seems kind of pointless to me.
I don’t care what the story is. My initial remark was that it seemed crazy that groups of people land and attack one poster personally for an innocuous post. And then the droves descended to defend the practice and that extended to why it should be fine to slang people personally. Which I’m not buying.
It’s not to me.
I’ll never please everyone. I’m not going to try.
OK, thanks then 
I guess I won’t hear further from you on this 
Well, if you’d take your nose out of Lib’s ass long enough to be consistent with your criticism, you might actualy have to admit that this particular salvo was something beyond snarky – and that the person you are defending is in fact guilty of the behavior you (allegedly) deplore. Haven’t I already said this? What part of it are you having trouble comprehending?
Yes. Was there more to your response to this point than the meaningless mouth-noised of “I’ve castigated, have I?”
:eek: Gee willikers! Thanks for the update on “life as an adult”! I was under the impression people never had to do things they didn’t want to do – thanks for clearing that up! I in turn have a news flash for you: The things you are required to do in life that are tiresome do not include posting on a message board. Yes! You can stop at any time!
Your sense of obligation is completely illusory as you must know, assuming you are not dumb as a stump. Your moaning about the tiresomeness of it all is completely idiotic as you continue to post away. And I don’t know about you, but in my life as an adult, I’ve come to find that if I am discussing or defending one of my dear philosophies in a way that alienates and offends people, I am not actually doing my dear philosophy any favors.
And Sarafeena politely points out a mere detail of style that reads as annoying and that could easily be corrected, and your sneering response is “I’ll never please everyone. I’m not going to try.” – as if that remotely resembles what she was requesting.
You might ask your dear philosophy how it likes being defended by a sanctimonious arrogant bitch.
Yes, I saw him admit it. And I told him I’d have words with him if I saw him do it. I’m thinking you’re expecting me to castigate him (in the actual sense of the word; i.e. ‘critize or reprimand severely’. )
Didn’t say I was required to do it, did I?
Oh really? I’d be real interested to know what your dear philosophies are. And whether you think this post of yours is filled with sweetness and light.
I’m requesting that people not attack others personally and so far the responses have been less than polite and not really displaying much willingness to go along.
And I didn’t sneer. Again with the completely erroneous inferences.
What gave you the impression **Jodi ** thinks she is filled with sweetness and light?
I can tell you from what I’ve seen she cares about truth and strongly dislikes poor arguments. I have been on the other side of her barbs and she was correct.
Jim
Quiddity, I wonder if you’d try something. Come back here tomorrow, after a good night’s sleep, and honestly evaluate yourself. Ask yourself: are your posts here representing your best efforts at following the eightfold path, specifically in regard to right view, right intention, and right speech?
If not, perhaps you could make an effort tomorrow to adjust your posts to better match the eightfold path.
Don’t try it tonight. I think you’re in a corner tonight. Try it tomorrow, after you have a little distance.
Daniel
I didn’t say I expected you to castigate him. I said you “might have to admit . . . that the person you are defending is in fact guilty of the behavior you (allegedly) deplore.” Again, I can assist with the reading comprehension thing if you’ll just tell me where your confusion arises.
That was the clear inferrence of “I’m often required to do things which are tiresome and to persevere at them.” Without this obvious inference, the whole detour into “your life as an adult” is completely pointless. If you want to dedicate some parts of your posts to irrelevancies, fine with me, but it would be easier if you’d designate them in advance so I’ll know which parts I don’t have to bother to respond to.
As I’m not the person currently bludgeoning others with my philosophies, they aren’t relevant. They also, not incidentally, are none of your business. And no, my post was not filled with sweetness and light. What kind of stupid question is that?
This is irrelevant to Sarafeena’s parenthetical aside, which was, quite simply: “this habit you have of starting posts with ‘um’ really sounds kind of snotty. I think you should give that up.” To respond to that with “I’ll never please everyone. I’m not going to try” sounds sneering, just as the style tendency Sarafeena pointed out sounds snotty. This is not an “erroneous inference” it is an FYI for you: When you post like this, you sound sneering, you sound like a snot.
I am sweetness and light personified, and I will open up a can of whoop-ass on anyone who says otherwise! 
I don’t recall when my barbs were directed at you, but I hope no lasting harm was done.
That is quite an odd request for the Pit don’t you think? :dubious:
I mean you can request shit all day long, but don’t expect this forum to be sweetness and light.
People in the Pit are called every name in the book, but even here are still some lines that cannot be crossed, and if they are crossed the Administration will definitely take action. The Pit is doing fine.
Don’t try to be a Pit Cop.
Damn, I missed “sweetness and light” upthread, or I wouldn’t have used it. How about huggies and smoochies instead.
This is the most sensible statement I’ve seen in the Pit in a while.