I love both of you as posters, but I mostly stopped engaging with her on this issue because it seemed to me that she was attacking my motives, and so I stopped. At least that’s a part of it - the other part was how angry she was getting, and I didn’t want to be a part of her getting furious. It’s possible I interpreted it wrongly, but that’s how I interpreted some of her posts in our back and forths.
Nvm…
You and YWTF were particularly hateful towards me in that other thread, and defending the kind of disgusting things you said (like you and YWTF belittling transgender suicides as a cry for attention) and views you put forward (transgenderism is just an incel/misogynist plot for example) as “I’m a bitch, so what?” is wrong and needs to be called out.
You say awful things like that and whenever someone speaks up against it, you have a “lighten up, snowflake” response to us. You two constantly demean and insult transpeople and seem to think the worst of us in every respect (DemonTree as well) and that can’t be dismissed as just you being passionate. This is a topic I’m passionate about too, but I try not to do the same to you as you did to me and other trans posters with your vile views towards us.
What does this mean? Who is she?
You were super hateful to me. You accused me of saying things I didn’t say and you took offense at everything I did say, even when what I said wasn’t the least bit controversial. And here you are, lying about me yet again. You are the very definition of “disingenuous poster”.
But I’m not going to engage you anymore. I don’t want to be accused of dominating the thread.
Problem is, I don’t see how this describes her outside of the trans issue. I never found her particularly abrasive on other topics before this became the vast majority of what she talked about. And in the one unrelated post I’ve seen from her since the trans issue became her pet topic, it was a very nice post in the Pit to a guy complaining about how men were mistreated.
I know she attacked me for trying to defend trans people. She didn’t refute anything I said–she said some very hateful stuff about trans women being men, and claimed that my support of Trans people would help Trump win the election.
I know she called people misogynist or out to harm women for being pro-trans. She claimed iiandyiiii said the exact opposite of what he said, so she could call him a misogynist. And I know what she said when an actual trans poster revealed the mental health issues she had. In my opinion, she well crossed the line on the number 1 rule here.
I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about what she said in the latest thread. I do know what I did read was off topic, and was mostly TERF propaganda. It involved “detransitioners” and saying that we (i.e. not trans people or their doctors) need to decide whether transitioning is actually advantageous or not. I was ready to post “Aren’t you pro-choice? Shouldn’t bodily autonomy apply?” but the thread had been closed.
I used to look forward to YWTF’s posts. But, once she got obsessed with the trans thing, she seemed like a completely different poster. I even at one point wondered if she’d been hacked. She’s so different than the poster I remember and admired. (It was the nice post I mentioned above that seemed more like her–actually caring about bigotry against someone even if it didn’t apply to her.)
As for how the board treats other forms of bigotry–I agree it used to tolerate a lot of stuff. But I would argue things have changed a lot on that front. When was the last time you had to “duke it out”? Because a lot of that stuff is banned under the new GD rules. We’re less tolerant of bigotry, in large part because a lot of us (including you, I believe) have pushed the mods to do more about it.
But mostly it just seems to me that what you call “abrasive” about YWTF’s posts is actually a violation of the “Don’t be a jerk” rule. And it is not how she has posted in the past. Outside this topic, she does seem to get the memo about empathy.
This is not the thread in which to hash out the details around this, particularly since there is already a standing mod note to avoid doing so. But having just read the section of that thread to which you referred, I think your recollection and interpretation of the context of the conversation is incorrect, or at least an uncharitable reading of the response.
YouWithTheFace. Not everybody made the connection between her old screen name and YWTF.
…here’s the thing though. The opinions that YWTF espouses in post-after-post on transgender issues are fundamentally transphobic talking points. I don’t use that word lightly. And the debate tactics she uses to advance these transphobic talking points include cherry picking and the gish gallop. She also would use her gender identity and her race as a shield. People did have the words and the passion to fight YWTF. But words and passion only get you so far when you are debating a circular brick wall. There were a handful of posters in the JK Rowling thread who posted almost every single day on the topic for months. That isn’t healthy.
YWTF gets a pass here because outside of this topic she has a good reputation. But I don’t think she should get a pass. If we were debating racism or homophobia we wouldn’t be excusing that. Its been pointed out over and over and over again that transgender people have by and large abandoned these boards. There is a reason for that.
You DO realize that the Straight Dope Message Board is a text based medium of communication where we can scroll up and see what both you and @Boudicca90 have said? Boudicca gave a very thoughtful and well considered post explaining her issues with your stance. In response you just lash out at her.
FWIW repeatedly telling a woman (trans or not) that she isn’t a woman and that her daring to stand up for herself is an attack on “real” women everywhere is pretty disgusting and offensive.
I feel like I can’t post in this thread anymore. I don’t want to get topic-banned, and I’m afraid that’s the fate waiting for me if I keep responding to all the replies.
I hate not being able to defend myself out of fear that I could be penalized for it one day.
Yep, I even went back and made sure I wasn’t misrepresenting any of what we said, since it’s been a few months since we participated in it.
I wonder if the reason that it is so hard to argue for the stance you’ve backed on this topic without crossing the line into transphobia is similar to the reason it is so hard to argue for “scientific racism” without crossing the line into plain old racism…? Hmm 
Your sister had over 1000 posts on the same topic in a few months (i.e. since the new board), including in threads where it was not the topic. You are unlikely to get in trouble.
That said, I would think it would make more sense to defend YWTF and not yourself. Her behavior is the topic here, and you claimed it was perfectly normal and fine. If you only defend yourself, you tacitly admit that the other two being accused were done so accurately.
I like you as a poster. This sort of bating seems beneath you.
I had the opposite experience. I first noticed her in a trans thread, and thought, “what an abrasive and unpleasant poster”. Then, I was a little embarrassed with my negative reaction to seeing her handle after reading thoughtful and interesting posts about other topics.
Also, I had no idea, and learned from this thread, that “YouWithTheFace” is the same person as YWTF.
I only made the username connection because she was posting with monstro.
Fuck it.
If my sister and I were be soooo crazy and soooo hateful, why were we never issued warnings in that previous thread? Why were we never taken to the Pit over what we said, so that the whole board could see how awful we are as human beings.
We are guilty of having opinions that aren’t shared by many of you. That doesn’t make us hateful. It doesn’t make us transphobic. It means we aren’t fans of every idea out there being pushed by the woke crowd. You aren’t going to sell us on your ideas by screaming and wailing. You’re just going to alienate us further and make us feel vindicated in our belief that there is no intellectual weight to the gender identity discourse. Just a bunch of feel-good fluff.
Anyone who says they don’t care about what happens to half the world’s population as long as 1% of the population gets what they want doesn’t get to turn around and play victim. When you bring hate like that to the table, you don’t deserve a whole lot of respect, @Boudicca90.
So you’ve got a quote where Boudicca says “I don’t care what happens to Cis Women as long as Trans people are happy”, right? Or are we back to “your very existence is an assault on my entire gender”?
Hint: that’s the attitude many here are pointing to as “transphobic”.
Because having transphobic views has been tolerated on this board, more so than any other bigoted view. Hell, there was a moderator, @RickJay, who participated in the misgendering and “transwomen aren’t women” crap. Which told me that nothing was going to be done since you had a moderator on your side in that discussion.
You and your “sisters” are transphobic and hateful, and you back up your arguments with cites from transphobic sources and believe that justifies it. It doesn’t.
And yes, I have said that I care more about the rights of trans women in the sports debate since we are the ones being discriminated against. It would be like me advocating for Black rights and someone else saying “What about the white people who will be affected?”