Well much of what I was going to post now seems outdated. Sorry to see you go, Astral. Nice job talking yourself out of that lynch, Prof. Pepperwinkle. May we all meet again under happier circumstances.
Rethinking is in order.
Allow me to clarify myself… it wasn’t at the expense of a Townie that we know about another killing role, as I am pretty sure that Astral was killed by Scum. We did however, lose a Scum player in Pepperwinkle, which was done by the newly found Killing Role.
Interesting to be sure.
This obviously means that Astral Rejection and Sario can both now be taken for their word. We don’t know if their post content is factually correct, but we do know it is honest. We also know Professor Pepperwinkle was lying (Yay! indeed).
We also went from almost lynching a Wolf to lynching a Townie. We need to look at how that happened. Sario could and should have stepped in to prevent his lynching. The wolves could not know he was not going to wait to post until too late. So what happened?
We have some good solid information now…
So we had Prof P in the lead with Sario, PCM ( me!) , Dead cat , SNFaulkner, Bio and Texcat on post 218
The switching started with SNFaulkner at 237 , followed by Astral joining, not switching, in post 245, then Deadcat switched in 284, and WFTomba jumped on the bandwagon at 288
I would be wondering about SNFaulkner and Deadcat, but they were votes 3 and 4 putting Prof out in an early lead. There wasn’t any real momentum, at that point, Sario with his vote and my ‘snuggling’ vote. Can’t really see scum bussing scum so early on day one. For now they don’t look too suspicious, WFT could be jumping on a band wagon to avoid any chance the Prof would get lynched.
For now not so sure that is where to look for scum
Yeah , I think that it is a safe bet to assume the prof was killed by a Vig/SK. Unless of course he was way too chatty in the scum thread and they decided to do away with him !
Just wondering who you mean by “WE did loose a scum”
Who is we, and how do you square a dead scum, a good thing, with the concept of loss?
Vote Dante G
I meant “we” as in we the players of the game. Nothing more, nothing less. You read too much into my post.
I don’t find this outcome unexpected at all, given how many people said I looked townie. Can’t have that, say the wolves!
Have fun guys, and go town!
What’s with the “loosing” a scum phrasing?
You also made an excuse for a vote you did not cast as well correct?
Um … poor choice of words, I guess. I realize it’s not much of an excuse, but it’s all I got. Vote for me as you wish, as I’m sure there is nothing much I can say to change your mind, until I get a good chance to re-read the recent posts.
Good recap here (linked post has the quotes intact):
Based on that info as it is, I’d say snfaulkner would be a good vote for Scum, considering they changed their vote for** Professor**, who was Scum, to Sario, who was Town.
Vote snfaulkner
Scum can and will bus each other early on Day 1; don’t discount anyone on that account.
Vote WF Tomba
in large part for this
He had apparently been planning to move to the leading candidate (Prof. P), but by the time he got around to it, PP was no longer in the lead…so to avoid a tie he voted instead for Sario.
He makes it seem like just a matter of timing, which I think is true; things finally worked themselves out to a point where he had a plausible reason to change his vote and get Prof P off the hook.
Why **snfaulker **over Dead Cat, who made the same vote-switch (and put **Sario **in the lead)?
WTF certainly looks like an opportunistic vote with no accountability ( just following others logic , they convinced him etc etc)
I am not giving SNF and DCat a pass, just thinking they are less likely at this point.
It’s funny what you catch on re-read. I’m filing this under “Amusing and quickly disproved.”
Why is nobody mentioning this vote? The vote was already 7 to 4. I am also very concerned that anyone could not see a case for Prof P.
VOTE MAHALOTH
It looks like this is becoming a bit of a bandwagon, but Astral’s confirmed Town status also makes me very suspicious of WF Tomba. Back when he was posting things like this:
. . . I found his continual suspicion of Astral a bit odd - but, seeing as this is my first game, I assumed I could be missing some subtle tells. Now, I think it’s possible he was trying to get the ball rolling on a mis-lynch. His comments on the Prof mitigate it a little, but that could have been an attempt to avoid suspicion.
It’s early in the Day, so everything’s subject to change, but for now: Vote WF Tomba.
Unvote snfaulkner
Vote WF Tomba
Tomba has been on my list of possible scums since Day 1 and many others have pointed out their suspicions of him as well. Not to mention, he was so insistent on Day 1 that** Astral** was Scum and pushed for a lynch of him. Now granted, Astral wasn’t lynched, but we did just find out that he was in fact Town. So then, in regards to** Tomba**, how can anyone be so sure of anything on Day 1 unless they are Scum themselves??
Here’s my initial take on things. If I miss someone on some of my lists, please feel free to point out who’s missing. This is a quickish review and not a through rereading.
Astral’s death doesn’t give us much other than a canny player has been killed. Several of us had explicit pro-town leans on him (me, IRConfused, Biotop), which were revealed correct, so small townie points where due.
Prof P’s death is pretty great. There’s lots of information to get into because he was a divisive figure Day One. First, there are those that voted against him: Tex Cat, Sario, Biotop, PCM. Townie points for those folks, but Sario can’t cash them in. The reminders aren’t locks for town, but looking solidly more townie. Dead Cat is a curious case who earlier pledged to die on a hill to lynch Prof P, but later changed vote based on changing facts. As someone solidly on the “lynch Sario” side of the line at the time, I get the appeal of the arguments, but it meant getting off the right hill. That makes Dead Cat a little harder to read based on Prof P’s flip, but I’m leaning town despite early suspicion. There are also some strong defenders to be named and shamed: me (HookerChemical), Mahaloth, Astral.
We have a known town on both sides of the mislynch, and I think there was justification for voting either way (especially Day One).
Here’s my voting final vote count, strikeout from Post 212 onward (as with my previous tally):
Sario - 8 votes: (IRConfused 55)(Prof. Pepperwinkle 191)(sfaulkner 237)(Astral Rejection 245)(Dead Cat 284)(WF Tomba 288)(Hookerchemical 297)(Mahaloth 303)
Prof Pepperwinkle - 4 votes: (Sario 38)(Precambrianmollusc 76)[del](Dead Cat 100)[/del][del](snfaulkner 170)[/del](Biotop 211)(TexCat 218)
IRConfused - 1 vote: (Octarine 160)[del](HookerChemical 246)[/del]
snfaulkner - 1 vote: (Suburban Plankton 127)
Mahaloth - 1 vote: (Dante G 129)
Biotop - 0 vote: [del](Texcat 50)[/del][del] (Mahaloth 124)[/del]
Dead Cat - 0 vote: [del](Hookerchemical 122)[/del]
Astral Rejection - 0 vote: [del](WF Tomba 94)[/del]
I think suspicion generally follows a ramp up and down pattern. One vote to mis-lynch isn’t necessarily suspicious (especially Day One), but the vote that puts a mis-lynch into a tie position or the lead is pretty hinky. The thing is, that Astral is one of those votes, putting the front runners into a tie that was quickly broken by somebody I’m now leaning town on (Dead Cat). So much for that theory.
What do others make of Prof P’s early list of lurkers and support of lynch the lurker. I took it to be fairly innocuous conversation starter, but does it imply that the lurkers list (WF Tomba, Octarine, Sario, IRConfused, at the time) contained a good portion (3 or 4) of town?
I want to reiterate Sario’s “Last will” post. The thoughts can be wrong, but we know they’re coming from a genuine position:
As of today, I’m getting a much bigger scum lean on Dante G and WF Tomba.
Post 362 isn’t Dante G’s fist post that made folks go “Did you really just say that?” There was the “Forgot my vote” incident on Day One. As someone who’s been accused of being scum based on even more innocuous slips, I take them with a grain of salt. I don’t find the reasoning for the vote on snfaulkner at all convincing (change of vote from Sario to Prof P). That vote made it 3-5, still with Prof being lynched. There were others that changed over from Prof P (Dead Cat), and people coming in from third parties (me, Mahaloth, others). The switch also came shortly after Prof P’s epic (and ultimately successful) “Don’t lynch me!” post. As PCM notes (Post 364), both Dead Cat and snfaulkner were there to put Prof P in an early lead. Putting Prof P in such a predicament so early would have been very bold for scum. It’s possible, but unlikely. Post 378 makes some sense (unvoting snfaulkner and voting WF Tomba).
I don’t have much to add to Plankton’s Post 372 (citing WFT’s weak reason for voting Sario) and Dante G’s Post 378 (citing the paranoia about Astral). There was also the idea of lynching Astral and Mahaloth early for being experienced players that was quickly swatted down. On the other hand, we have posts like 278, which were a useful recap of the Sario/Prof P arguments.
So here I am again looking at two leading candidates where I feel strongly there is one scum among them.
vote Dante G
That’s partially to stop the WF Tomba bandwagon. I get why the votes are there, but I want to slow down and thing a bit more before this thing starts driving itself.
Wow! The Prof certainly hornswaggled me! Not only did he convince me to change my vote despite my wolfdar read on him (not that I trusted my wolfdar), but now I totally look like a wolfpawn for doing so. I need to go re-read things, and consult mafiascum about serial killers and such…