When I saw that Trump had faked an NHC map,
I immediately thought of the Monty Python sketch…
The best part is some serious looking guy who hands him the obviously modified chart. Here you go, Mr. President, your truthy NHC chart. All fixed.
I posted this link in another thread, but it reminded me of the old Canadian World Domination map.
The man didn’t have the right forecast map.
OK, I’ll play along. I’d like to dismiss this as another mindless political attack on the President.
How did he fake a prediction last Thursday? Are you implying the NHC prediction was accurate? Because… it wasn’t. by a considerable amount. Not even close. All he did was extended it out a little further which is common sense. Did you think the NHC version was going to evaporate before Alabama.
Since the NHC was wrong you must know something we don’t. Show your work.
I posted this in another thread: It reminds me of the ‘Nasty’ episode of The Young Ones. The lads have rented a VHS machine, and they pop in a ‘video nasty’. The disclaimer at the beginning says something to the effect of ‘This ain’t no bleeding’ pirate!’
I wonder if he’ll pull this stunt with the next named hurricane, Eric?
Is this your actual rebuttal, or are you “playing along” in the sense that you’re making a statement that’s obviously ridiculous in order to parody the President and his supporters?
It’s four dimensional chess. This week, Trump is telling people that Alabama is going to be struck by a hurricane. Next week, he’ll be taking credit for preventing it from happening.
Explain why the predicted extension was fake. What was fake about it? Explain how the predicted storm magically stops at the Florida border and poses no threat to areas beyond. here’s a local news source showing the different models.
What’s fake is: the NHC map has been altered. Anyone who follows hurricanes is familiar with the NHC’s standard cone of probability. They never have a hand-drawn bubble added.
It’s fine if Trump, an expert in all things, said that he thought the hurricane might threaten Alabama (or Texas, or California), but to purport that official forecast said that it did was just a lie. I guess lying is his real expertise.
As there were a number of models showing it moving through Alabama and Georgia and they were all wrong then where is the lie in the prediction? Seriously. Where is the lie? It’s a prediction. You’d have to be a moron to say the NHC was gospel and there is no concern beyond that prediction which as we know was wrong. It could have been right and continued into Alabama.
Are you honestly going to sit there and say the NHC prediction ended at the Florida border and posed no threat beyond? Is that the advise you would give to the surrounding states? Don’t worry because the forecast map over the next few days ends at the border. We’ll update you if it’s wrong. Feel free to wash your car with bottled water.
If he took a map and crossed off the word Florida and changed it to Minnesota, would he have been correct in saying 'the hurricane is going to hit Minnesota"?
And that’s fine if you or he feels that way, but he has to take credit for his prediction. He can’t show an altered map and imply that NHC predicts the hurricane will hit Alabama. If he’s going to do that he has to say “Here’s the NHC map [draws extra bubble with sharpie], but I believe the hurricane will continue on to Alabama”
I wouldn’t say that, I wouldn’t say anything. I sure as hell have no clue how to predict these things and I’d wager that the NHC can do a much better job of it than the guy who, during the last handful of Cat 5 hurricanes, has been all over the media saying 'Category 5? I never heard of a category 5 hurricane". I’ll give him the first one, but this is the 4th or 5th time since he’s been president that he’s said the exact same thing.
Isn’t that like, literally, exactly what they do? Predict as best as they can and tighten up their predictions as the weather gets closer?
I don’t live in hurricane country, but that’s exactly what they do when huge snow storms are heading our way in the midwest. They give us predictions about what areas will get how much snow and as we get closer they adjust those predictions.
So, if he’s wrong, will he apologize for it? It may not seem like a big deal to not get hit with a hurricane, but how many people will spend money on supplies, boarding up their house or driving a few hours inland and getting a hotel for a few days? Would you be okay spending all that time and money only to find out later that it wasn’t a prediction made by a meteorologist, but just someone who figured the he knew better?
I’m tired after a long day, and I’m 2/3 drunk. I will make one more post in this thread, then you can post as you like, and claim victory, or whatever you want.
At the time Trump tweeted that Alabama was in the storm’s path (9/1), no NWS models showed the hurricane impacting Alabama. Shortly after Trump’s tweet, the NWS tweeted that Alabama was not in danger. Trump fucked up. Full stop. Today, to cover up the fuck up, Trump posed with a map, dated 8/28, on which he had drawn an additional line, to prove that his 9/1 warning to Alabama was reasonable. He took an old map and added a circle to extend the predictions made by the professional scientists, to claim that the NWS backed him up on 9/1. This is a lie.
This is pretty far down on the litany of Trump’s crimes. But it is, clearly, an example of Trump lying to cover up his stupidity.
Nobody is saying that. Everybody is saying that Alabama wasn’t ever predicted to be impacted by hurricane-force winds.
Alabama has never been hit by a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane.
The article starts with a storm in 1916. 103 years with only six storms.
I lived in Louisiana where they put hurricane tracking maps on grocery bags this time of year. You can’t draw a straight line and call it a prediction. Models very far out are inaccurate, you need to use the latest information which Trump didn’t.
It all involves science, which Trump clearly doesn’t understand.
If he came out as a flat earther, would you back him too?
The real problem is that he made a stupid mistake and refuses to admit it. Clearly your kind of president.
Hurricanes bring water and flooding which is a significant component of the destruction. We have non-hurricane floods all the time that do major damage. but you knew that.
Trump was holding was a map of the current projection last Thursday and he projected a little further into Alabama. It was hardly the end of the run or even another day’s worth of projection. The entire point of warning people about a hurricane is so they can prepare. It would be negligent to do otherwise.
There is no evidence that the map in question was meant to convey the end of the Hurricane. It was a projection over the next few days and not it’s full movement. It was always projected to move up the coast. As of this posting it’s a Cat-3 storm which has moved beyond Florida and is now in Georgia and S Carolina.
In another thread, I think it was mentioned that the crayon analogy fails: the line was clearly added with a sharpie, which they allow him to have because he cannot get them in his mouth (i.e., crayons are a choking hazard).
…and how is this a defense of Trump (or his team) drawing on an official chart and holding it up as, somehow, supporting data?
Is it really beyond you to say “yes, it was pretty silly for Trump and his team to draw a bigger circle on a weather prediction chart to try and justify something Trump said that wasn’t based on official weather data”?
The lengths some folks go to to refuse to admit even the smallest fault in Trump is kind of amazing.