Trump has said that we should prevent entry of Muslims onto the US, kill terrorist’s families, and negotiate to write down the national debt. Any one of those three is completely out of bounds and a deal breaker alone. I am willing to listen to anyone who has a rational defense of any of these positions, I have yet to hear any.
He’s out there, but not enough to be a deal-breaker for many of our citizens. You may suggest they are retards, but they have valid voter cards. It’s time to stop wondering, to dismiss them, and to start get others to dismiss them. Folks who fancy themselves middle-class have long LOVED to set themselves above their [del]cracker[/del] [del]hillybilly[/del] [del]roper[/del] worsers. Dems HATE to admit it’s Class Warfare, but it is.
you support the national debit running out of control do you, any person should know that how the debit has been handled is criminal and should be kicked out of office.
As for entry of such people, I think it’s the media that’s misleading what he is truly on about.
Every sensational claptrap that the media spin has no depth at all, it’s just sound bites that they use to try to fool the average simple mined people, it’s attention grabbing trashy muckraking.
I see the headlines and think, what the hell this bloke is a nut case ! but when one bothers to take the time to look into what he really truly on about it then makes sense.
It’s criminal how the media play such stupid games, the media is a filthy whore.
I’m all ears. Please enlighten me.
If the national debt is determined to be unmanageable then it should most certainly be negotiated down.
Hmmmm… strange that you say that because when a few Republicans tried to force a negotiation because they felt the debt was unmanagable the Democrats (IIRC you included) crucified them.
No, the media is, AT BEST, attempting to fill the blanks of his policy, based on his bloviations and half answers. You have tied yourself to a half-inflated gasbag with no solutions, but only bullshit people like you who imagine what he says are solutions.
He is “truly only about” himself and his self-agrandizement. Those who accept his shit are people like you, fascinated by his celebrity, but completely without an understanding how life, much less anything else, works. Trump has expressed his love for low-information voters like you. Everybody else calls you “retards.”
Psst: “debt.”
The Republicans tried to force a collapse of our ability to pay our debts. They didn’t try to force a negotiation; they tried to force a total failure of the value of our bonds, our accounts payable, the Federal employee payroll, and our credit rating.
You’re defending a couple of bank roobers with guns, shouting, “Open your cash drawers, now!” as “forcing a negotiation.”
Trump fucks only the BEST women, and his toilets are made out of pure gold. If I support him, he might give me a woman and let me take a shit at his house. It’s only common sense.
The latter two are out there, the first one actually has precedent, so while I’d call it too much for modern sensibilities, it’s at least been done. The last has actually been done too, although it wasn’t a negotiation, when FDR devalued the currency.
We now know where that bit about “negotiate to write down the national debt.” comes from.
Notice that the ones voting for Trump are doing it for a guy that has an incentive** in tanking the economy** since he does tell us that we have been doing bad deals. (he may have a point, but his solution is to make the situation much worse.)
So what should he do when confronted with the “bad deals” he and many Republicans think the government is doing? There is already a hint when looking at how he “renegotiated” “bad” deals before. Mainly by not paying for work done or settling for less after the ones that did the work realize there will be no way to get what it is own to them in full.
Now, here is the kicker: imagine that but now multiplied many times to all the people we owe that money.
Yes, Trump will have no problem in stiffing us. (One should put a 
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I think the only one of those three that would have long term negative effects is defaulting on the debt. That alone shows The Donald may be too ignorant to lead.
Yeah, that statement set off alarm bells for me.
Oh yes as opposed to all of the other times we are not up against the debt ceiling and the Dems willingly want to negotiate spending reductions.
Democrats have also voted against raising the debt ceiling, including the current President. While I agree that Republicans’ behavior was reckless, it’s nowhere near what Trump is planning, which is way beyond the pale.
You don’t think killing terrorists’ families and violating either habeas corpus (if inside the US) or the Geneva convention (if outside) would have long lasting implications?
No. Atrocities are not new, especially in the service of winning wars. They are never enough to stop other nations from pursuing their interests. If they were, no one would buy oil from the Arab world.
Human rights are talked about but no one ever does anything that actually costs anything.
If we take Trump at his word that his Muslim ban only means Muslim immigration/naturalization, then this country has done it before with Chinese Exclusion, etc., tho those were actually racist things, whereas lowering Muslim immigration might be a good safety/society culture idea given the prevalence of Islam-inspired terror, far more common than other religions’ inspired terror, as well as popularizing social oppressiveness far beyond even American social conservative’s dreams (bringing about hijabs, honor killings, death penalty for gays and apostates, etc.)
However tho, anything Trump would do would now be tainted. The best idea was lower immigration from countries where anti-American sentiment is at certain levels or Islamist groups have certain prevalences, but common sense lost to Trump’s bombast.
But the rest of his ideas are idiocy. Killing the families of terrorists would garner a lot of anti-American antipathy more than would be otherwise, is against what American military usually does (and other civilized nations), and negotiating our national debt down would’ve been done before if it could’ve been!
His proposal to deport 12 million people would ruin relations with a peaceful neighbors, cost far more than the economic benefits we’d reap both in logistics and illegal immigrants’ contributions to society, and ruin families. A lot of illegals have legal friends/family here in the states.
His economic plan of huge tariffs would ruin a lot of peoples’ IRAs and 401ks as well as depress economic activity.
These second three reasons are why even for my disagreements with progressives and Democrats on radical Islam, and disagreement with progressive Dems on the Middle East, I’m not very likely to vote Trump. Its hard to tell if Trump is a democrat (small d). I feel like he’d be the guy to go back to non-elected Senators, to start.
I could also see him instituting Russia-style military parades but instead of in the Kremlin, in front of the Capitol building, also with tanks, missiles, etc., to show the world we’re “great again.”
His deportation plan is actually the least harebrained of his ideas, since all it takes is to encourage self-deportation(the Romney plan) by implementing e-verify and actually enforcing the laws against immigrants receiving welfare benefits. If all laws were enforced to the best of our ability, even with current limited resources, it would cause a mass exodus. Plus President Trump could decline to interfere with states that wanted to crack down, while signing bills to deny federal funding to sanctuary cities.
It doesn’t take a deportation force. All it takes is to implement the law as written: no jobs for illegals, no benefits for illegals, any illegals that have run-ins with the law get sent home. That pretty much puts an end to the problem.
Or maybe, just maybe the Dems can actually make a serious effort to win back those folks by offering a real agenda that speaks to the needs and wants of a demographic that’s been devastated by deindustrialization, atomization of social life, rising death-rates, and so on.