You probably don’t want to cite John Yoo as your evidence for anything regarding, well, anything.
And your credentials are?
I never said that. That’s why I said you read poorly. Show me the quote where I support that. I mean this is simple 4th grade reading and you are getting it completely wrong. Show me the quote or stop making false accusations.
I think he means this
This does not say “should never be done under any circumstances.”
there is no moral equivalence between anything listed in your links and large swaths of populations who think its OK to kill converts, amputations for certain crimes, forcing women into hijabs, think honour killings are ok, etc.
This isn’t Frank Gaffney I cited; its Pew, which is no conservative outlet. Every country has a right to protect its culture and people. And so does America.
And you are wrong. The conventions ban the use of torture against anybody. It does not matter if the subject is a citizen of a signatory or an international outlaw or anything. No torture- no ifs, ands, or buts.
What do they need to be, Mr. Herman?
Any cites? And those with the carriers make the rules.
Cite.
I know what I said and I’m not going to parse all the exchanges between Johnny Ace and myself. That particular line came several posts after Johnny Ace first erroneously accused me of advocating a strategy that I personally don’t think would be fruitful. Now that’s a key clue though with regards to affairs between nations or nations and their adversaries. Will it be fruitful or not? Why does a nation sign the Geneva Convention? Morality is only part. Pragmatism is another. And if you don’t think pragmatic trumps morality in the contests between nations I think a bit of reading the histories would help.
My own point of view which I often don’t explicitly state because it’s usually off topic is that I think deliberately killing innocent people should be rarely done. That’s vastly different than saying I advocate the killing of terrorists’ families in the war against Islamic extremism.
And before everyone gets all self-righteous most of you belong to a nation that knowingly kills innocents in war and in crime fighting all the time.
But John Yoo, a guy even Republicans don’t defend after his Torture Memo fiasco, says it’s peachy keen!
It’s always nice when an appeal to authority has such a truly appealing authority.
Thank you for the link.
Would this act be legal? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-leader-mullah-mansour.html?_r=0
Appeal to authority is what is done in cases of law is it not? Authority determines legal authority correct?
Trouble is, your “authority” is one that even right wing Republicans are not that comfortable with. In other words, a crappy authority.
Which is not at all opposing abortion while supporting killing terrorists’ families, like the other poster claimed.
He either has really por Reading skills or he was being disingenous.
beter por reading than por riting
Ah, nice to come back to find personal attacks. Or perhaps there’s another explanation, which has to do with the way that I read threads and the fact that I don’t necessarily remember every post made in the past.
Anytime you want to test yourself against my reading skills, feel free. You’ll be severely embarrassed. Next time you intimate that I’m a liar, though, you’ll find yourself at the business end of a report.
That’s still threatened by foreigners. The narrative just moves from “non white foreigners are coming here and taking our jobs” to"big corporations are taking our jobs and giving them to non white foreigners abroaf8".
Agreed that it’s still threatened by foreigners. I don’t know about the “non white” part, though my cynicism always makes me think that could be playing a significant role.
Johnny, this smacks of debate intimidation. If you feel someone’s broken the rule go ahead and report them. We’ll then do our part.
But threatening to report someone like that? That’s not conducive to debate.