Umm, hey, my hearts up higher.
You must be next to some jerks.
Yankees fans.
I am totally willing to accept that Okrahoma has a morality that, independent of facts, logic, and sanity, indicates that when an entire row of people are assuming the same kneeling pose, they are isolating themselves from their fellow kneelers.
I accept that he believes this. It’s stupid, but I accepted that he heard what Trump said, and (per his orders) accepted it as gospel immediately.
Help us out here: what player (or team) who did not stand had indicated that they would do so in perpetuity? :dubious:
By the way: you’re welcome; I know everyone appreciates my putting a stop to the daily solar eclipses.
Some.
OK, two or three, maybe as many as 4!!! 
Or 100? or 1000?
Snowboarder Bo claimed that “no one” canceled. My post was to respond to him.
Yeah, that’s the same as claiming no one canceled NFL Sunday Ticket.
:rolleyes:
You don’t know how to take selfies, do you? It involves turning your back on the cool thing so that the cool thing appears over your shoulder. You don’t take selfies of yourself with the cool thing in front of you and the camera pointed back at yourself, because then it’s not a video of yourself at a cool event.
If the dude kneeling in the photo was videoing himself, it wouldn’t have shown the Tomb at all. It would have just been a video of him kneeling with some other people behind him. In order to take a video of himself kneeling in front of the Tomb, he would have had to face away from the Tomb and film it over his shoulder.
But who cares? This isn’t about reason for right-wing morons.
Is there anything out there that is more disrespectful to kneel in front of?
I want to know, as it seems that all it takes is one random person that no one bothered to even ask why he was kneeling, didn’t get a name, no face, no nothing, to get the alt-right so hilariously riled up.
I thought it was funny seeing the spittle flecked foaming that we got from NFL players kneeling, but this is a whole new level.
I expect to see selfies and pictures otherwise of people kneeling in front of monuments, buildings, anything that the alt-right puts a value on over that of their fellow american citizen.
If this keeps up, we won’t need to worry about the 2018 or 2020 elections as the conservatives will have all suffocated on their own apoplexy.
Why did you say that Eliza gave a better impression of a real person?
Can somebody clarify something? I coulda thought that the players were locking arms in solidarity with their teammates. Y’know, like a protest without the kneeling.
Dropzone, you know that and I know that. Practically everyone knows it. It’s true. Okrahoma does not, or pretends not to. In either case, he’s like the Monty Python “no you haven’t” limbless denial machine.
No, he wants it to be his way, the same as he thinks genuflection is offensive. One stupid motherfucker.
I agree with you that the response to the unknown kneeler pic has brought it up several notches from people burning NFL gear. If you didn’t read the comments in Okrahoma’s link to it, under people’s real names, you really should. IMO that is not the alt-right; they are the people the alt-right likes to stir up for entertainment, and lacking a better term I think of them as Thank You God For President Trump. You can call them whatever you want. They are no longer funny.
My mom used to want people who rode in a car she was driving past a Catholic Church to make the sign of the Cross as she crossed the centerline of the Tabernacle.
But she grew out of it, and allowed them to simply observe her example. If it inspired them to follow it, that was gravy.
I’m more generally curious about something: are there any other contexts in which kneeling is taken as a sign of disrespect? People kneel in church, they kneel when proposing marriage, they kneel when the Queen of England bestows a knighthood, they kneel (most directly significant to this story) when giving a flag to the surviving family of a fallen soldier. But I can’t think of any situation where kneeling is seen as anything other than a symbol of respect, devotion, or outright subordination.
At least, until folks like Okrahoma needed an excuse to be angry at people for engaging in peaceful, anti-racist protesting.
…I’m a professional photographer. Do you know what I choose not to do during the last post, during the national anthem, during a karakia?
I don’t take photos. People perceive that to be disrespectful.
Are you upset with the person who, during Taps at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, used their cellphone to take a photo of a stranger? Don’t you think the person snapping the photo is more disrespectful than the person taking the knee? (and if one was videoing and one was photographing, they were both as disrespectful as the other?)
Yeah, and you’re not wrong that this sort of thing does cause bother to those in the middle, but it’s just so stupid.
I may get somewhat upset about something that trump does, or what mcconnell does, or even what a fox news or talk radio person does, on some occasions. But these are people in positions of influence. They are people who have been given this influence. The people who support and listen to them and vote for them give them this influence. There are people who are actually responsible for the elevation of these people, and those people can be held to account for the actions of those who they support.
But the right gets an order of magnitude more upset about what some random person does somewhere. Something that has no effect on them, their friends or family, their community, or really anyone at all. Some blogger in a basement who’s greatest power is deciding what flavor hot pocket to eat for lunch is not someone who’s opinion carries that much weight, and yet, if that random guy says anything at all that offends conservative sensibilities, it’s on, that guy represents all that is wrong about libruls. Even if a group of military vets going to college on the GI scholarship decide to put out a false flag pamphlet that is obviously a fake, it still makes the right wing offenderati machine spool itself up.
We don’t know why this guy was kneeling. He could have been a veteran who had lost comrades in war, and now at the tomb of the unknown soldier at taps, is overcome with emotion and goes to a knee. I would bet that he would not have been the first to drop to their knees at the tomb, I would bet that he would not have been the first to drop to their knees at the tomb. And they don’t care why he was kneeling. They just see something that they find offensive, and without any thought or research, they just go straight into offensive mode.
Full disclosure, on the weight of things, I think that this was probably a guy making his own protest against the abuses and imperfections he sees in american society, but there’s really no way to know that without tracking him down and asking. But that’s the thing, even if it were the case, what exactly is the lef supposed to do about it. We are expected to police every member of the side of the country that isn’t a fan of trump, and ensure that all of their behavior is respectful, but they have no problem with the people that they support and put into power shitting all over everything that this country actually is supposed to stand for. They have no problem with their fellow trump supporters carrying the flag of treason, or the flag of the fascist regime that our grandparents fought and died to prevent from taking hold.
If I could draw, I’d make a political cartoon, that has an overweight man lounging on his couch, with a bucket of hot wings in his lap, the sauce of which is smeared on his flag underwear. Behind him is the confederate flag flown proudly, and in front of him is a TV with the picture of some football players kneeling, while “Oh say can you…” comes out of the speakers. Have him pointing at the TV with his chicken wing, exclaiming, “Those people are unpatriotic, how disgusting.” … or something like that. Because, honestly, that’s how I see these assholes. (In the unlikely event that anyone wants to steal that, be my guest)
No, and that’s why it is all the more amusing that they are so worked up about it. If the players were flipping off the flag, or mooning it, humping it, or doing any of a number of things that are actually disrespectful, then I could at least grant that they have a point, that the players are indeed disrespecting the flag.
But kneeling? Not so much.
Heaven help the next black guy who’s shoelace get undone.
Rest in peace. 