No, we say these things BECAUSE they hurt your feelings. 
[aside] What I love about this board is how we can dig so hard at people we’ve known so long, like you and Andros, that we are like family. It’s like Thanksgiving dinner with my real family–who are too far away to join with–where the digs are loving, though WE REALLY FUCKING MEAN THEM! [/aside]
Even popular folk singers could talk like that.
This crap is soooo fucking tiresome. :rolleyes: One could just as easily argue that Frank Sinatra and Beach Boys music sucked, because racism. The good things about that era were still good just like the music of that era was still good.
I’m aware that racism is about all you have to excuse the tremendous amount of ridiculousity that has grown up in this country since then, but to broad brush the entire era with only the bad things that existed then is facile, specious and factually wrong.
But we’ve been through all this crap before and I’m not going to list yet again the litany of harm, damage, lost lives and misery liberalism has been responsible for since the late sixties, but in sheer numbers it dwarfs anything wrong that was going on in the sixties.
Funny, I don’t recall a single victimizer expressing outrage over having been exposed as a victimizer or hypocrite. Perhaps you could provide some examples.
I either have to question whether you were really around in that era or whether you’ve just been blinded to reality by social justice jingoism, but the fact is that most people back then scarcely gave these issues any thought, let alone enough to luxuriate in smugness over them as you obviously think. I realize that Power To The People 101 teaches that the opponent must be villainized and made into an object of hate in order to generate the anger needed for social upheaval, but that doesn’t mean you actually have to buy into it.
Besides, coping ability is a good thing to have. Perhaps if more people nowadays were brought up in ways that developed it instead of feeling victimized, there’d be fewer of the suicides or shootings that result from bullying, and people who’ve been sexually abused in childhood wouldn’t have become so convinced that it permanently damaged them that it results in emotional conflict and misery that they never seem able to come to terms with. And I know for damn sure that they wouldn’t be feeling traumatized over chalk campaign slogans or ‘micro-aggressions’.
Instead this country is turning into a seething mass of whingebags getting upset over just about anything and everything imaginable. And of course there’s no end to it because part of the human condition is that nothing is ever the way everyone wants it to be, and it never can be. So you can go through life griping and whingeing and expecting universities, the government or the virtually unlimited number of social justice warriors to protect you from anything and everything you (or they on your behalf) you don’t like, or you can grow up and realize that the world isn’t perfect and never will be, and develop some coping skills. Trust me, anyone who does so will be much better off than by buying into the cult of victimhood so prevalent these days.
Funny, I don’t remember Trump looking down on women. He’s promoted a good many of them to powerful, well-paid executive positions in his companies. And I’ve never heard him disparage ‘women’ at all. Some individual women, yes. He does that with some individual men too. See? Equality. That’s what you want, right?
Distrust of wetbacks? Never heard him use any such term. Nor disparage Hispanics as a whole. He’s only spoken ill of those who’ve chosen to enter the country illegally, and not even all of them. “Some, I assume, are good people.” Remember? 
And resentment/distrust of the government is pretty much built into the Constitution, and why we have so many safeguards to keep it in check. And let’s be real - you’d distrust it yourself if a Republican were in the White House.
Pesky negroes? Nope, you’re wrong. I’ve never known anyone who thinks that way, nor have I heard of anyone who thinks Trump thinks that way. Trump get on very well with blacks who haven’t drunk the Democrat Kool-Aid, and even with some who have.
I have renounced what support I may have had at one time for Trump’s candidacy but facts and facts and we’re supposed to be fighting ignorance here, and this board is absolutely chock full of ignorance and absolute lies when it comes to the reality of Trump, both as a person and as a candidate.
Cups hands around mouth Pssst…my feelings weren’t really hurt. I was being facetious.
Now, would you please pass the potatoes? Thanks. 
Yeah, the legacy of oppression and bigotry is such a buzzkill. Why can’t people just not mention it, so we can go on believing that everybody was getting along great back then??
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One could just as easily argue that Frank Sinatra and Beach Boys music sucked, because racism. The good things about that era were still good just like the music of that era was still good.
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Silly, nobody’s saying that good music and other good things of that era automatically “sucked, because racism”. Of course they didn’t.
I’m just pointing out that the actual good things of that era did not in fact include “everybody getting along”. A society where certain groups of people are systematically disadvantaged on the grounds that they’re intrinsically inferior or subordinate is not a society of peace and good-fellowship, even if people aren’t openly quarrelling about it.
Nobody’s trying to claim that the era was nothing but bad things. You’re the one who’s making a blatantly broad-brushed claim in the other direction: namely that “everybody got along” back in the days before serious societal problems with racism, sexism and other prejudices were acknowledged and confronted.
Well, you, for one. You are constantly seething with resentment and spite at the “liberals” for spoiling all the good times of entrenched inequality, before you were ever required to consciously examine any of the ways that you benefited from undeserved advantages.
Exactly my point. What you consider “most people”, i.e., straight cis white men (and to a lesser extent us straight cis white non-men), didn’t have to give any thought to their virtual monopoly on the power, attention and control of their society. It was just the way things were. The most insidious thing about privilege is being able to take it for granted, without thinking about it.
Nah, like I said, the privileged beneficiaries of an unjust society never or hardly ever consciously “luxuriate in smugness” over how good they’ve got it. They just take it for granted that that’s the natural order of things. Life is fine for them, and as long as nobody else is actually screaming or throwing things at them, they don’t question the assumption that life is fine for everybody else too.
:rolleyes: Yeah, what’s a little trifling hardship like not being allowed to vote or getting beaten up or raped or bombed for not being subservient enough, compared to the real tragedy of white people having to confront the idea that they might not actually deserve to run everything the way they want it!
Sure, it’s easy for conservative straight cis white men to believe that the pre-sixties world was better than now. But that’s chiefly because, as I noted, conservative straight cis white men are often just so bad at being aware of what life was like for people other than conservative straight cis white men.
A great idea. Do please try to get that message across to all those fellow conservatives of yours who are throwing massive tantrums because some non-conservatives have chosen to marry people that conservatives don’t think they ought to marry, or use restrooms that conservatives don’t think they ought to use, or take seriously scientific findings that conservatives don’t think ought to be true. Those conservatives are desperately in need of developing some coping skills.
Brilliant, Kimstu!
Sadly, though, Starving Artist is utterly incapable of understanding that the time period he remembers from his privileged, rosy childhood could have been experienced very, very differently by other people.
Trump is a crook! For someone whose whole platform is built on not being a corrupt politician, he is a massive hypocrite. He might not be a politician, but he is extremely corrupt. He has ties to the mafia, and swindled thousands of people with a sham university. He broke federal law by inciting riots and bribing Ben Carson. He needs to stand trial for his crimes. Running for president is not a free pass to commit felonies.
Starving Artist’s “everybody got along” back then shtick is as sad, pathetic, and yet hilariously funny as Pauline Kael’s shock that Nixon beat McGovern, saying (supposedly and probably apocryphally) “how could Nixon have won? Nobody I know voted for him”. Sorry Pauline, but you and your friends’ don’t represent the country, and sorry Starving Artist, but your experiences of the past don’t represent everyone else’s.
With hat hair.
**Trump Pit Thread
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I find it amusing that the SDMB vows and declares that it does not tilt hard to the left. And yet we’re up to 12 pages of this bullshit and nobody has, in the sense of fairness, started an equivalent thread against Hillary and/or Bernie.
It is to laugh.
So do so. After all, you’re the ideological opposite of those two.
He can’t. He’s applying pressure to his sides to prevent them from rupturing, and may require emergency surgery to reattach his ass. Don’t forget to ice it down, Clotty.
Since he’s all ass, how is that possible?
You don’t need to be lefty to Pit Trump. Half the GOP would have things to add to this thread.
I guess that makes you a liberal, since you haven’t done so either.
Given that even a lot of Republicans consider Trump to be a disaster, it’s not just a liberal/conservative divide. In fact, on a lot of issues Trump has been more liberal than most of the other Republican candidates.
This is either a flat-out out lie, or yet another demonstration of your persistent idiocy.
First, the SDMB as an entity makes no claims either way about political leanings.
Second, the vast majority of SDMB members have, in my experience, recognized that this board leans to the left, especially when compared to American society as a whole. As a lefty, i recognize and acknowledge that the political makeup of this board is on the left/liberal end of the political spectrum.
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
If we were discussing astronomy, would a sense of fairness require us to put equal effort into discussing astrology?