No need to say anything about a bill. Just post a picture of Trump under the headline.
The AG of NY disagrees with you.
If he proves me wrong, I will be beyond ecstatic.
It’s doubtful “he” will prove you wrong. However, she might.
Oh cool! I didn’t know the NY AG was an African American woman, that’s great. And if she DOES prove me wrong, this fact will definitely bother Trump and his supporters, which is always a bonus!
Tough hitting Atlantic article.
Worse Than Treason
No amount of rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party is advocating for the overthrow of an American election.
“We are what we pretend to be”, Kurt Vonnegut wrote in his 1962 novel Mother Night, “and so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” Republicans in Congress are pretending to be seditionists—and so they have become, in fact, seditionists.
Forget all the whispered denials and the off-the-record expressions of concern in private; ignore the knowing smirks on camera from GOP officials who are desperately trying to indicate that they’re in on the joke. Brush aside the caviling of the anti-anti-Trump writers who would rather talk about that time in 2017 when some Democrats objected to the Electoral College vote (and were gaveled down by Joe Biden himself).
This is sedition, plain and simple. No amount of playacting and rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party and its apologists are advocating for the overthrow of an American election and the continued rule of a sociopathic autocrat.
Suppose you were a semi-enlightened DA in Georgia in 1955, and when a white person murdered a black person, you brought charges but the jury acquitted because that’s what that jury would have done back then. Should you stop indicting white people for murdering black people?
I’m of the opinion that when a President commits high crimes, the Constitution tells us what to do about that. If he commits multiple high crimes, then you impeach him for each of them.
Maybe it won’t change anyone’s mind about Trump. But to not do anything pretty much guarantees it. And it whitewashes his conduct in terms of rehabilitation down the road.
Actually, that isn’t the least bit clear to most Americans. Most people don’t pay nearly as much attention as we do.
Like it’s an either-or. This Friday, Congress goes on vacation again, and returns on January 21.
The opportunity cost of this is effectively zero.
- If high crimes are a nail, impeachment by God is the hammer. No, we shouldn’t get creative and use a fucking screwdriver.
- Got any better ideas? Sure, prosecution, but there’s far from any guarantee that Trump will be prosecuted for any of this. This is what can be done here and now.
You don’t think people might pay more attention to something that happened right here in the U.S. than something that happened in Ukraine?
I think that if this had happened in the Republic of Georgia, or the island of South Georgia, you might have a case that we’re just doing the same thing, and why expect different results. But Americans are pretty myopic; most people in our country don’t give a goddamn what happens in other places in the world.
OK, but it’s not relevant to the issue we’re talking about here. I’m open to ideas regarding how the House can gain more leverage in its battles with the Senate, but that’s a whole 'nother discussion. Feel free to start a thread, or point me to an existing one.
And you’d have to come up with a jury of twelve that didn’t include a Trump supporter. It will never happen.
Yikes, I hadn’t even considered what might happen if Trump actually ended up in court because I find that so farfetched, but you are right. Jury nullification would be a total roadblock here.
“…In that last quote, Trump was addressing one of his attorneys, Cleta Mitchell, who was also on the call. At no point did he utter “invent.”…”
So what? He did want the SoS to “find” and that “I need” a very specific number of votes so he could win by one vote.
Politifact has a poor rating for Occupy Democrats. It’s rather telling you’re trying to pretend they’re a legitimate source to debunk.
By the way, did you actually read the rest of the article?
gabriel sterling has knocked it out of the park again! this guy has lived up to his last name. he gave a point by point rebuttal to the trump phone call today, with the superb gentleman on asl.
i can’t find the video on line, as it has just ended. it was amazing.
I’m confused. This thread made it to 169 replies before the word “invent” was used - yours was the first.
Other than to manufacture a straw man and then knock it down, what was the point of this contribution?
Boy, howdy but was he pissed!
Impressive on having on hand all the facts and figures to cut Trump’s arguments into little, tiny pieces.
Daily dose of flailing.
the screaming in the car line was particularly amusing. i would just picture it, with wheel pounding and fist shaking.
i will be using the sign for shredding on shred day. it is a brilliant sign.
But McConnell literally just did this days ago by attaching some ludicrous “voter fraud” commission to the $2,000 stimulus increase. How many headlines did you read calling him out for it? That kind of critical thinking and inside-the-beltway strategizing is way beyond the average American.
It has to be 2 + 2 = 4 or no one will get it. In fact, even then, 40% of the country will say either 2 + 2 = 5 or “math doesn’t exist.” And doing something, anything, is always going to be seen as better than sitting on your hands.
I don’t what the solution is, but “sit around, do nothing, and wait for Senate Republicans” is definitely not it.
Aw, man, tell me about it! It occurred to me a while back that Trump and his minions have clearly been doing a classic Gish Gallop with these absurdly false claims about the election. The Gish Gallop is a fiendishly hard tactic to counter, but I don’t think anyone could do a better job of it than Mr. Sterling just did.
And you can tell the man is just SO exasperated–and utterly, righteously so–at this garbage.
The implication is that Trump wanted to “invent” or “create” votes that didn’t exist. Choose whatever descriptive word you want but there’s nothing to that claim.