I suspect the community that they were most worried about (and that worries me most, I would have voted Leave if I was a British citizen) are neither of those, it’s the South Asian communities who were responsible for stuff like this:
Anyway, regarding the EU, it’s true that Britain is not part of the Schengen area and that the communities that cause the most social problems were brought over in the 1950s and have nothing to do directly with the EU. That being said, I think voting Leave was at least in part a symbolic vote against the ideas of mass immigration, multiculturalism, dilution of English ethnicity, Islam, etc., rather than a vote for or against distinct policy measures.
I agree that they are stupid, and willfully ignorant. The kind of people who can’t see that forcing someone to stand while a nationalistic theme song plays “because America” is in direct opposition to the freedom they are fighting for. The kind of people who can’t be bothered to fact-check the crap they hear him say.
Yes, they want to be seen and heard, and Trump says he sees and hears them. He acknowledges the working class, and makes promises that many of us see right through. His words are bullshit and he not only doesn’t give a shit about them, he doesn’t have a clue what their world is like. Why, oh why, don’t they get that? He’s not better than anyone currently in Washington who doesn’t give a shit.
Not dragging you into an argument but here’s my 2 cents:
That doesn’t make Trump any better.
4 years of leading this country is not the time or place for pissing people off. You want to piss someone off, fine, but this isn’t the venue for petty spiteful “in your face!” decision making.
He might be sincere on one issue, so let’s vote him in for all the issues. Um, no.
I disagree.
For once in our lives, it does matter. You need someone somewhat rational and level headed who is going to at least try to reason his or her way through decisions before flying off the handle. I don’t trust him for one minute with that level of decision making, so almost anyone else would be better.
Someone said today on CNN that she was voting for Trump because Hillary had had a chance and made mistakes. I’ve heard this before and I can see how some people buy it. It’s wrong and weak as hell, but I see how it makes sense to them.
As SoS and Senator, Clinton was in favor of invading Iraq. She allowed the deaths in Benghazi*. She deleted all those emails*. She took Foundation money from people seeking favors in return*. They see Clinton’s time at State as a series of mistakes.
On the other hand, Trump has absolutely no political history, so he’s never done anything to put the country in peril. He has never taken us into a war situation, has never let a soldier die, has never voted against his constituents’ views, and has never let them down.
Therefore, why not vote for the guy who has no history of political failure or screwing over the voters?
*Just repeating the popular catchphrases here, you don’t need to convince me…
My belief is that it’s these idiot voters who broke the system by voting for idiot Republican representatives and senators that do nothing beneficial for the country. The did it in 1994 and again in 2010. Imagine if 2010 had been a Democratic wave instead of a Republican one. Picture a Senate with Democrats holding 65 or even 70 seats and a House where the Democrats hold a 50 or 60 seat majority. Imagine that lead holding through to today. I bet the lives of the vast majority of Trump supporters would be better in this alternative scenario than they are today. It’s just that those voters are too idiotic to realize that the problem is not Obama or Clinton or Pelosi or Reid or a liberal SCOTUS or any other of their imaginary bogeymen. The problem is that they were idiots and voted obstructionist Republicans into office and they’re too stupid to realize that this is the problem.
The presidential race has become a magician’s misdirection - a two-year popularity contest to elect a person who actually has fairly little influence of the day-to-day lives of Americans (or at best a small fraction of what their state and local officials have). Meantime, congressional incumbents get returned out of habit and continue to serve the interests of their biggest clients/donors.
Yes. They voted for people while they were angry and were disapointed, so now they’re voting for someone while they’re furious and expecting him to be better.
Good luck finding a one-legged leper who wants a crap job like that one, 'cause if she’s a liar Donald’s fucking Pinocchio. Guess you’re not voting this year.
“My opponent has no child care plan.”
Clinton “wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment.”
“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy.”
“I finished” the controversy.
“I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don’t learn much in a tax return.”
“African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they’ve ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever.”
David Duke? Why do we only hear that name 'round election time when the Dems trot it out? How many blacks has he or these “white supremacists” killed in the past 25 years?
You people are confusing the attitude of many white Republicans (who were raised with morals, values, and standards) of “people should assimilate and become productive members of society” with “racism”.
Melting Pot. Not a splintering society of various victim groups and clashing cultures.
So, only white republicans have morals, values, and standards? Interesting. I’m curious to hear why you think they don’t win every election if they are the only ones with those qualities?
I think a safer bet is that Americans seem to have an unending fascination with “wealth” and with “celebrity”. Trump brings the worst of both worlds, along with a (un)healthy dose of narcissism.
Yep, things have improved from mass slavery, daily rapes, brutality, and depradation, to segregation and lynching and general oppression and second-class citizenhood, to redlining and unequal treatment in the justice system, to poorer public services and infrastructure and society-wide negative stereotypes. Now is much, much better than the past. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t still a lot of problems, and a lot of assholes.
I haven’t heard his name in any election since his own campaigns in the 90s (I’m a Louisiana boy, so we heard his name a lot). But there’s something about Trump that’s brought him back to the forefront, and Trump has refused to rhetorically burn him down when he’s so gleefully used terrible descriptors and insults for various Democrats and Republicans who don’t like him.
No we’re not. About half of Republicans in Mississippi think interracial marriage should be illegal. Big chunks of Trump supporters agree, and even bigger chunks think Obama was born in another country (despite there being no evidence). Big chunks of Trump supporters think black people are lazier and less intelligent than whites. The Trump Ohio campaign woman who recently resigned because she said that there was no racism until Obama was elected is emblematic – I don’t know if all these people are absolutely horrible and evil, but they sure are ignorant, and ignorance, as opposed to horribleness and evilness, was the driver of most of the white supremacist-related horrible things in American history.
The Dylan Roofs of the country are bad enough, but what’s done the most harm to America are the millions more folks that believed that MLK Jr or other black folks who dared speak up were unAmerican, communist, or insert-your-epithet-here for daring to challenge the status quo.
Sounds good to me, but not so good to Duke and other white supremacist/alt-righters.
If it’s a melting pot, and if it’s America, I’m happy to press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, and so on.
melt·ing pot
noun
a place where different peoples, styles, theories, etc., are mixed together.
“a melting pot of disparate rhythms and cultures”
I see, so you will support a guy that abuses his power in Arizona, uses racial profiling, investigates the judge’s wife in an effort to impeach the judge on his case, and also supports racists? (Sheriff Joe Arpaio)
You see, the problem is that while you can tell yourself that those guys in power will not turn America into the paradise of the Klansman, they are happy to have their areas were the federal government will not interfere, or to pollute with no controls, or to very pettily use their powers to clog up the works (Christie with the bridge) or to make the war against women real as Ailes and Pence will do with harassment of women with Ailes and to draconianlly prevent abortions as Pence will do to help the troglodyte Republicans in congress that are in place already.
The fact that you were not aware or willfully ignore the very ugly authoritarianism they represent is enough to question what you actually believe, see what happens when a guy does not condemn the deplorables early? You then are sleeping in their beds and catching their fleas by telling us that you will be OK with them.
Compared to Trump? Tough call. But, yeah, probably. Are you saying you’d prefer a President Trump over a President Arpaio?
I mean, (a) it’d be a which-is-marginally-less-bad situation, and (b) it seems to be irrelevant, since I don’t plan on voting for either of 'em. But my primary concern with Trump is that he’d do anything Arpaio would do, and that he’s an unstable nut who’ll fly off the handle and do something crazy. You want I should prefer that over Arpaio? Why?
Again, is any of that as bad as Trump? I’m figuring that a President Christie or a President Pence would be less bad than a President Trump, for the same reason: President Trump would have the same drawbacks as either, plus the whole angle of not knowing what the hell is going to come out of his mouth next.
Well, I’m telling you that they strike me as less bad than Trump – and, I added, not to the point where I’d pick any of them over Hillary Clinton, but to the point where I’d pick any of them over Donald Trump. If you want to make the case that Trump would be a better President than them – or exactly as bad instead of worse – then go right ahead, I’m all ears. But as far as I can tell, no, he’s worse.
The point was that all of them are bad, including Trump. Nowhere do I say that you should prefer one or the other; remember, Trump has them joined to his hip. It is a package deal as that hopeless group of reprobates had enough time to distance from Trump and vice-versa.
And the more I see that attitude of ignoring what supporters and staffers are doing, the more I see how principled many Republicans were in the past.
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You don’t see that with Trump, nor his personnel, and his recent acknowledgement that Obama was born in the USA has been admitted to be only a political move, as in a lie by Trump himself and Joe Arpaio is continuing to waste taxpayers money on that stupid and racist effort.
The point is clear to me. If Trump wins he and his staffers will make sure that there will be no progress, but regression, recession and aggression.
Hey, that’s your position, and you’re welcome to it – but, again, I figure that Trump is worse than Pence or Christie, because he seems to share any drawback you can name with them, plus he sure seems to have the “dangerously unstable” thing going on.
Do you think Pence and Christie are as unstable as Trump?
