The Dems are playing with matches, the Trump guys napalm orphanages and convents, and then somebody walks in to remind us that both sides do it.
In the words of noted philosopher K.C. Stengal “Can anybody here play this game?”.
Or perhaps make sure to be extremely specific about exactly whom you’re insulting. I have no problem with a politician saying that Nazis and white-nationalist bigots are deplorable. In fact, I really wish more of them would.
The root of the problem seems to be that a lot of voters, while they don’t actually identify as Nazis or white-nationalist bigots, for some reason tend to get all butthurt when Nazis and white-nationalist bigots are insulted.
Personally, I think if the shoe doesn’t in fact fit you, then you don’t have to wear it, y’know? But those snowflakey self-identified non-bigots who nonetheless find it unacceptably “divisive” to call bigots deplorable apparently feel otherwise.
So, you genuinely don’t understand how mocking an individual’s disabilities is insulting to everyone who shares that disability? Really?
Honestly, I find that difficult to believe.
If I have to make a choice between losing elections and embracing Nazism, I’d rather lose the elections.
Ever hear the expression a Good German?
Have we tried putting birth control in cans of snuff? Their ignorance and racism is only exceeded by their bug like rate of procreation. As for not offending the snowflakes, yeah if we had been nicer to them they wouldn’t have voted for the Klan endorsed candidate. If we can have one thread started by a conservative that doesn’t eventually use the word libtard, then I’ll worry about being insulting in the pit to white nationalists.
Look at the Trump voters on the Dope. Is there one of them that you wouldn’t consider a bigot based on their comments here? I honestly can’t think of one. To a person, they are horrible.
When you can get random women to sign a petition ending women’s suffrage and when a high school senior level final exam asks students to draw a question mark you can’t be surprised by any level of ignorance. We choose to have an ignorant society so we reap what we sow.
Well, you see, there’s a huge difference between genuine bigotry and the type that gets called out around here (and in other leftist circles).
Translation: “They don’t hew to the party line and sometimes even voice ideas and beliefs that are inconsistent with or in opposition to the party line.”
I’ve got big, big news for you. Reasonable men of good will can and often do disagree as to the best solution to a problem. The fact that their solution isn’t compatible with yours does not mean they are evil or horrible people. Oftentimes they find your solution to create more and worse problems than they solve, and for that reason they favor a solution that does not create those problems, or at least causes fewer problems. Again, this does not make them horrible people in any sort of factual sense.
Disclaimer: I am not a Trump voter!
Exactly! Given the state of education in this country I’d wager that most of those who at least recognize the name are of the vague impression he was one of the founding fathers.
as I was saying, just horrible people.
Yes, reasonable people can differ on issues. But not every difference is reasonable.
If you debate about what the tax rate should be or how much we should be spending on infrastructure, there are two sides to those issues.
But if we’re discussing race relations and some Klansman takes the position that the best policy is to lynch any negro who gets uppity, you don’t agree to disagree on the issue. That person is wrong. And you tell him he’s wrong. And the President of the United States should be telling him he’s wrong.
Same thing with the Nazis. There’s no problem to which the correct solution is killing twelve million people. There’s only one correct position on Nazis: you’re against them.
And Jefferson Davis. I don’t care how stupid they are, every American knows two basic facts about Jefferson Davis: he was in favor of slavery and he was in favor of declaring war on the United States. So which of those positions would make him a better President than Barack Obama?
Some opinions are stupid.
And even if not every American knows those things about Jefferson Davis, why would that ignorance be so disproportionately concentrated among Trump voters?
Especially since Trump did so well among Southern white voters, a group that you’d think would have a quite high average awareness level of who Jefferson Davis was.
I wasn’t talking about Nazis. I was referring to madmonk’s allegation that every Trump voter (and by implication, every conservative) are bigots and horrible people.
And you want to know a few reasons why many on the right don’t get all het up about Nazism? Because number one they’re a fringe group with absolutely no political power and is hated by almost everyone, right and left. And because they know that America’s Jewish population is in no real danger and the number of people killed by Nazis in America is roughly equivalent to, well, none that I know of.
And also because anti-Nazism is perceived, rightly, in my opinion, as a left-wing political issue and not a moral one. Were the killing of innocent people truly the engine of left-wing opposition to Nazism, why is it so silent about Communism, said to be guilty of up to 70 million deaths over the last century (and that’s only by the big three, the U.S.S.R., Mao’s China, and Cambodia, even more have been killed when you add in the deaths perpetrated by lesser communist regimes). But when it comes to communism, crickets chirp when it comes to the left. People routinely show up on this very board extolling the virtues of communism and making arguments in its favor, and this people are universally treated well here while anyone trying to make the same arguments in favor of Nazism would flamed instantly and constantly the minute he posted a word and the elapsed time until his banning could be measured in minutes.
So once again that well known liberal bugaboo hypocrisy comes into play and reveals the true nature of all the left-wing rabble-rousing over Nazism, which once again is political rather than driven by the supposed moral outrage they would have us believe is motivated by the number of deaths Nazism has been responsible for in the past.
As far as Trump’s reluctance to call the Nazis out, the reason is simple and has been in play from the very beginning of Trump’s candidacy. He is averse to allowing himself to be put on the defensive and finding himself constantly having to bow to the demands of his opponents. In this case he’s taken that inclination too far.
As for your authoritative declaration that every American knows of Jefferson Davis and equates him with slavery and declaring war on the United States, I’d really like to see some kind of cite on that. You know as well as I do that a huge chunk of the populace can’t name their own Senators or come up with the name of more than one or two Supreme Court justices. I fully stand by my contention that the many of the respondents in that poll were of the belief, vague though it may have been, that Jefferson Davis was one of the country’s founding fathers.
Why would it have to be? People who didn’t vote for Trump probably like Barack Obama, so they’re not going to choose a guy they don’t recognize. If you asked people the same question with a totally made up name, support for the random name would be disproportionately concentrated among Trump voters.
(FWIW, if I had to guess the percentage of Americans who could recall two basic facts about Jefferson Davis and do it on command, I’d guess maybe 15%. There isn’t a whole lot of common knowledge.)
We don’t know that it was. After all, 40% of the general populace had no opinion (i.e., were ignorant of) Robert E. Lee. And it’s a no-brainer that almost every Trump voter would prefer almost anyone over Barack Obama, so when presented with a founding father-esque name they naturally go with it rather than Obama, and this is really all that that part of the poll demonstrates.
Edited to add: Ninja’d by Lord Feldon.
On re-reading post 53, I apologize for the numerous grammatical errors and inadvertently omitted words. I’m pressed for time tonight and chose not to preview that post before submitting it, and it shows.
Rest assured, your reputation is solidly established.
Or at least are not so irrationally opposed to him that they would literally declare a preference for some random guy whose name they didn’t even recognize to be their President instead of him.
I suppose we’d need to see the survey methodology to be able to determine whether respondents were given any information as to who Jefferson Davis was.
Ah, my night is complete now that I’ve been subjected to yet another of the tiresome, inane and contentless faux-intellectual bon mots you’re so fond of scattering about the board. One could predict such a post every single time he sees your name pop up in a thread and he wouldn’t be wrong 19 times out of 20.
Every American sure as hell doesn’t know that. Watch some of those late night comedian ask a random American skits. You’ll understand how Trump got elected.