It’s a non-technical term I pulled out my ass, but it means using a doubling of a word to make the plural.
A little Wiki-ing has revealed that the technical term is Reduplication.
Well. back in the 70s I worked with a self described Eskimo from Churchill. He also called himself an Inuit, a term I was not aware of until the late 60s.
I wonder how its going with the Sioux who were misnamed “the enemy” by some whiteman istening to a Cree. I heard they prefer to be called the Lakota.
Don’t tell SiouxChief. Perhaps he doesn’t yet know he is supposed to be outraged.
I do sweatlodges and I am a Sundancer. Basically, the preference is to be called they preferred to be called by the name they have given themselves. Lakota, not Souix. But Indian, Native American, American Indian, First Peoples, Injun, whatever are all responded to, when talking to each other. Injun, is just plain insulting if you aren’t Native. There is a high tolerance for ignorance among some people. Just so’s ya know, Iroquois=Snake-eater, and is offensive.
Origin of “Sioux” may not be what you indicate here, depending on if this Wikipedia article is reliable. The Lakota are the largest group of Siouan* peoples, but not all Sioux are Lakota.
- Never use the affectionate diminutive of Siouan unless you are doing an Al Jolson imitation.
Interesting. I begin to understand how my Eskimo acquaintance got the impression that the Inuit are dicks.
“Excuse me, but I notice that you’re enjoying a delicious raw meat snack. By any chance are you of Eskimo ancestry?”
“PPPFFTHFPPTH!!! (nearly chokes in shock, spitting out an explosive spray of finely chewed raw meat)* You son of a bitch! How dare you call me an ‘Eskimo!’ Don’t you know that it means ‘eater of raw meat?’ That is *incredibly insulting! * I ought to kick your ass right now.”
*This classic gag is known as a “meat-take” in screwball Inuit comedies.
As I said before, I’m a poor writer because thoughts fly through my head before I can put them down. Let’s have a look at my post:
You don’t care to be exposed to it? It must be nice to be able to declare that something offends you personally and have its usage restricted or banned. I tried that before, and because it was a matter of faith instead of ethnicity, I was pretty much laughed at and told to go on back out and play. Faith is a “choice”, you see. Apparently, an atheist can squint and grunt real hard until voila!, he trusts in God and relies on Him for salvation.Suppose I had written this instead, now that I have the advantage of retrospect:
Good luck with that, MrDibble.[sup]1[/sup] I wish I had been able to make my point before with respect to pejoratives that are not nationalistic in nature, but rather are based on a person’s intimate relationship with God.[sup]2[/sup] I was not successful because so many people assume wrongly that faith is a choice, rather than a consequence of experience.[sup]3[/sup][sup]1[/sup] As in, “I hope you have more success than I did”
[sup]2[/sup] As in, “I can empathize with what you’re trying to express.”
[sup]3[/sup] As in, “Be mindful that preconceived notions are obstacles to understanding.”
How would you have reacted to that? Because that is what I meant to convey, and that is why I was so taken aback by your response, particularly given your support of me in the cat thread to which you have alluded.
If what I had intended to convey still would provoke you to call me names, then we are still where we are now. Like I already said, I take responsibility for what I posted and certainly my share of the blame for the misunderstanding. But inasmuch as you yourself were highly upset, it seems reasonable to assume that you would have empathized with someone else who had been upset with a plight quite similar to yours. You should accept a share of the blame as well for taking the worst possible interpretation and lashing out. If I had written more clearly, or you had asked for clarification, we wouldn’t be here now.
May or may not. There are several sites that support my assertion including The History Channel.
There is a community in Ontario called Sioux Lookout. It is easy to infer “Enemy Lookout”.
This is because people caught attempting to preserve raw fish by kippering can be arrested for smoking kwak.
I think I’d still have said that it was a hijack of the thread (away from specifically racial slurs in usernames to a much broader argument), but I would not have used the vitriol.
I wouldn’t have called you what I did if you hadn’t taken the tone you had in the first version.
I still fail to see anything beyond a passing similarity between my highly specific and personal complaint and your complaint. I still don’t empathise with your “plight” as it seems more a complaint about the Mods than about your hurt feelings.
I accepted a share of the blame when I apologized. It was still a hijack, and given how touchy you can sometimes be, calling you on it very well might have still landed us here.
Well, it might. But I hope you will realize that your apology, written in the heat of your battle with me and others, rang a bit hollow inasmuch as it was immediately followed by “I shouldn’t have let your threadshitting get to me.” It came across as “I’m sorry, but it was your own damn fault.” As I understand an apology, it presumes fault and does not assign it to the person to whom it is addressed.
Eh, you’re just bitter because you got second place.
See, i don’t get this. You might not agree with Liberal that your example and his are alike, but it seems to me that they’re similar enough to be within the ballpark, and for his post not to be a hijack.
We’ve talked on dozens of occasions on this board about what constitutes insults and hate speech, and the question of where the boundaries lie have never been fully agreed upon. Some people feel insults based on religion are acceptable, some don’t. Some feel that certain insults based on religion might be gratuitously insulting, while other insults based on religion are not.
I’m not saying that you need to agree with Liberal about where this boundary lies (i don’t), only that his bringing the religion issue up in a thread about insulting epithets does not seem, to me at least, to constitute prima facie evidence of an attempted hijack.
I don’t care how hollow it sounds to you. I was sorry I used the word I did, and I said so. I did not apologise for saying you were hijacking, and I didn’t want you to think that the one apology (for godbotherer) counted for the rest of my post (the hijacking).
The “I shouldn’t have let your threadshitting get to me” was a qualifier of why I used the word I did - and the person at fault there is me. My fault for being thin-skinned. It wasn’t saying that you made me say what I did. If that was the case, I wouldn’t have apologised for using the word either.
I disagree that my **very specific ** complaint thread constituted the proper forum for a Great Debate on what is and isn’t hate speech.
Never said it had to be a great debate about hate speech.
But your complaint was about the type of speech allowed on these boards. The fact that it was a complaint about one very specific instance doesn’t change the fact that, in evaluating cases like this, we (and, presumably, the mods) have to evaluate each specific case by determining where it lies within the types of speech allowed and disallowed by the rules of the board. So bringing up counter-examples, even ones that you might not agree are identical in type or degree, does not constitute a hijack.
I disagree that when you post a message on a public fucking message board (and put it in the wrong place), you get to be the sole fucking arbiter of what is and isn’t relevant.
Are you really so damn unaware of the culture here that you thought it was going to be a case of “oh, sorry about that, word banned.”? Every single call for any kind of banning of any word or speech here causes a huge discussion. You’ve been around long enough that there’s a reasonable assumption that you would know that.
Look. I don’t have a dog in this hunt. I’m not KhoiKhoi and I’ve never in my life used the term Hottentot. Frankly, had I depended on you for information, I still wouldn’t know why Hottentot is a insult, so way to go with the ignorance fighting in the name of your cause.
I do have to say that I am now convinced that you are a dick of the highest order.
It was not - it was very specifically about usernames. Bringing up generalised hate speech issues from the past wasn’t germane to the discussion. That Hottentot is a racial slur wasn’t the question (or shouldn’t have been). It was not a question of what constituted hate speech, but whether such was going to be allowed in a username. Like I said, a very specific issue.
Oh, and Zakalwe? Fuck you too. What’s wrong about putting a request for a Mod ruling in ATMB? I wouldn’t do it again because of the response, but I still think it was the right forum out of the ones we have. And yes, I did think it would go down like that, because that’s often how things go down in ATMB. OPen thread, Mods read and decide, thread closes down. If I wanted a hate speech debate, it would have been in GD. I wanted a Mod ruling.
And no, I don’t have to outline the etymology of the word, just indicate it’s offensive. The Mods seemed to be able to use a dictionary/Wiki easily enough to make the ruling, so your particular willful ignorance doesn’t bother me.
Jesus H. Christ!
I suppose the only thing lamer than complaining about someone else’s post is following up via email about the status of one’s complaint. No, I take that back - hosting a pit pity party to sop up attention and suggest that you’ve been specially singled out for ill-treatment - that’s even more fucking lame. Okay, maybe even more lame than that is keeping track of who one’s “enemies” are on a message board. Okay, no, wait - even more lame than that is keeping track of which “enemies” one has “mended fences” with.
If it seems pathetic to regard the SDMB as one’s home, it’s even more pathetic to behave in so pathetic a fashion in one’s virtual reality refuge.
Tangentially, probably the best way to be seen as a godbotherer is to fucking sidetrack all manner of discussions with one’s sense of being persecuted for one’s theistic beliefs, and commiserate with other godbotherers about just how unfair it is around here. (Personally, I had never heard the term “godbotherer” before, but it is just so perfect! I love it! If it achieves nothing else, your thread has expanded the number of people who use the term “godbotherer.”)
This is a “counter example”?
All I see there is a lot of bitching from Liberal about how the mods look the other way when he’s been insulted.