I didn’t say that I’m a victim of anything. I said that I think TubaDiva was wrong to accuse me of lying, of deliberate shit stirring, and to suggest that she wants to make ‘promises’ to me because she doesn’t like me in response to the questions I asked.
I don’t feel any responsibility to stop anyone else who wants to go beyond the insult and what I perceive as a veiled threat of banning. Frankly, that’s not my job. If that makes me lazy or whatever, that’s fine. It doesn’t make me a martyr, or even mean I wish I was a martyr.
You’re reading an awful lot into my simple assertion that since I did nothing wrong, I will not apologize. I don’t think it’s childish in the least. Where I come from, there’s word for people who apologize when they haven’t done anything wrong. That word is toady.
You’re free to disagree with me and think whatever you want/post whatever you want. Just keep in mind that I have exactly the same right.
You are not reading what I write. I didn’t say you said that. I explicitly said other people said, not you. You are not reading what I write.
But if somebody throws a catsix Burning Party, and you show up to it and climb on the pyre while holding some sticks, and then insist you’re not really part of the party, you’re just hanging out, you cannot be surprised that someone thinks maybe you’re on the guest list after all.
You are not reading what I write. In my scenario, you and Tubadiva enacted an exchange the likes of which is at the heart of all civilization. Continuing to whine that I’m asking you to apologize for something you didn’t do just proves that you are not reading what I write, for one.
Uh…gee…okay. I’m sorry I threatened to send those Space Ninjas over to rough you up, and encouraged my pet lobbyists to do something about this ‘catsix allowed to post what she wants’ thing. I know that was out of line, but…wait…no, none of that happened! Jesus, I can’t believe you just ended on “and your disagreement inherently implies that you think I have no right to do what I do”. Your rhetorical toolbox isn’t exactly overflowing, is it?
Holy moly, I can’t believe I read all eight pages of that…
And lurked the prior threads referencing this controversy as well.
I have no life.
Honestly? Since it appears that there’s going to be no further ‘official’ responce on this… and this isn’t Parliament (something tells me a ‘No Confidence’ referendum for Dex and Tuba might have some interesting results, but I digress…) the only way to end this is for us all to stop posting about it, e-mail your concerns to management, and keep your eyes open, because if the same parties (on either side) are in a similar situation down the road (yes I know that’s probably a ship long sailed, but I’m too tired now to search the archives ) then… I don’t know… you’ll walk out or you won’t, start threads or you won’t, and as stated in that great and wise movie Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle : The universe tends to unfold as it should.
I do know that I like posting and reading here, and I think it’s germane to ask:
“If I express an opinion counter to admins/mods, will I be banned/suspended?”
I was confident that this was the case. Now? Not as sure.
Why would you not be sure? Who has ever been banned/suspended for expressing opinions counter to admins/mods? Is it the flood of official warnings to Garfield226 and catsix that pepper this thread that is giving you that idea?
Obviously simple disagreement and hounding of the mods is tolerated. I think Garfield and Catsix should thank the mods and Admins for being so understanding and forgiving.
Not as sure. As a comparative. I’m not saying I’m concerned about being banned for being OMGz t3h naughty… I don’t think this board or the moderators thereof are gung ho to throw people off the board that they don’t like…
Mainly it was the tone of that Dex post I guess. That SPOOKED me.
Seriously though… if someone in a position of power says that (in an obviously contentious atmosphere between the two parties, natch) they’d like to promise you something, but will try to forbear… no one knows what that promise is, but that just is chilling. I think I’d be cool with it if it was a flat-out trolling accusation. That’s clear. That’s defined. No room for misinterpretation there. The fact that you could read it either way (like the Bible/Koran/pick your holy book–that’s a rant for another time) is what I think has everyone up in arms and convinced that everyone on the other side is a frelling lunatic.
Anyway. I think I’ll go to bed and dream of large women.
This isn’t a catsix burning party. I really don’t think this thread, or any of the other ones, exists to burn the hell out of me. What makes you think this is a catsix burning party?
All I did was point out why your scenario that you think should’ve been acted out would not happen.
I don’t think that’s a big deal, but you’re still harping on it.
Is that what I said? No, it isn’t. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I have no idea why you came up with your little ‘scenario’, but it’s not relevant to the issue, and it’s not something that was going to happen. I just thought it was a stupid scenario.
Funny how your whole opinion of me totally changes just because I didn’t go along with your scripted scenario. That’s all I have to say to you.
And I think you should pull your head out of your ass if you think that the questions I asked of TubaDiva need ‘forgiving’.
When people are having a hissy fit like this then sometimes it is best if everyone stomps off to their rooms and refuses to talk to everyone else (even HATES everyone else) for a while.
After some looking-at-the-wall time, counting to 100 time, punching-a-wall time, deep breathing time, hopefully everyone will have calmed down.
At that point the snotty parties can come and play again (even without saying sorry) and everyone can reinvite people to their parties and happily share the blocks.
Sometimes when we are cranky it makes us feel even grumpier waiting for someone to say sorry. Sometimes it is just best not to play together for a little while or play at opposite ends of the playground.
galt It is not ok to tease people when they are in their room!
“Reading an awful lot” into simple things can quickly lead to absurd situations. Why, only the other day an admin (can’t recall which one) gave a snappy reply which was instantly pounced on by the usual bunch of blowhards and malcontents as implying dire threats of banning and even physical mayhem.
Would you believe the resulting hoohaw extended into three or more long threads? Hard to credit, I know. Your sound advice not to read too much into things would have been a useful corrective to all the windbaggery on display there, and may well have served to puncture it.
Although, alas, not all people are as sensible as you.
Are you that clueless to humor? I understand it was a dumb joke, but I definitely didn’t expect anyone to take that post seriously. Though you quoted me out of context by removing the:
I keep stumbling over the fact that **Catsix ** is well known, but I never ran into her before this Flap over Tuba.
I guess you are telling me don’t joke with catsix?
Just for the record of people that don’t want to read back, the scenario I was wistfully imagining, which catsix thinks is ‘stupid’, was one in which Tuba and catsix were polite and communicated clearly within about five lines about their misunderstanding, and everyone went happily on their way.
Of course she thinks that is stupid. It’s not dramatic enough to be interesting to her, and would involve her pride not being the most important thing.
catsix: So anyway where’s the cool stuff that you totally keep mentioning and not delivering?
Tuba: You’re a liar and I wish I could ban you, but I won’t.
catsix: …wtfingf?
Tuba: I don’t appreciate you inciting shit and getting up in my grill.
catsix: …I didn’t mean to lie or go aggro, really, I was just asking. I’m sorry if it came off wrong.
Tuba: Oh, I misunderstood your tone. I accept your apology. I’m sorry I snapped at you.
Of course I didn’t insist she follow it; I merely pointed out how much nicer things would be if she and Tuba could have done so. However, she has to paint me as trying to insist she says things or I won’t like her, which is either really stupid, and yet again displays her lack of reading skills, or deliberately twisting reality.
I just want everyone to see exactly what kind of exchange catsix thinks is ‘stupid’. If her initial reaction (but I don’t wanna play civilized, I wanna be a bitch!) didn’t tell me everything I needed to know, her characterization of the above certainly does. It may be wishful thinking, it may be fanciful and even completely foolish to yearn for such exchanges to be possible here, but there’s nothing stupid about people acting like adults and communicating clearly. Unless you’re catsix.
By ‘didn’t mean to lie’, of course – the four words of the original post catsix felt were the only ones worth responding to – I only meant ‘didn’t lie and didn’t mean to misrepresent the facts’. That doesn’t imply that you did those things. It just clarifies your intent. In fact, my spiel was mostly about Tuba accepting catsix’s word for that. Of course catsix couldn’t see that, because all she could see was that someone wasn’t actually licking her ass and telling her how she Is Owed An Apology and Must Stand Righteously Firm.
) then… I don’t know… you’ll walk out or you won’t, start threads or you won’t, and as stated in that great and wise movie Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle : The universe tends to unfold as it should.
