TWO Teachers Charged For Sex With SAME Student

[Scumpup]

@jsgoddess

Wow, you’re bad at this. At some point, can’t you take a class or something?

You just can’t help yourself, can you?

[wonky]

@Scumpup

You just can’t help yourself, can you?

Can’t help what?

[Grrr]

@jsgoddess

First, the fist-pumping and the pooh poohing of any concern is telling him how he should feel. You’ve made it very clear that you think having any concern is “feminizing” and you sneer at the idea of it.

Second, the bragging doesn’t mean that it was all swell. Kids brag about things sometimes as a way to hide pain as well as a way to get applause. It can be a mixture of many things, including a way to get pressure from these teachers to stop without him having to lose face in front of his macho bros for not wanting to keep banging the hot chicks.

Third, reread this thread, with the notion that the person reading it is a boy who feels violated. Having any sort of bad reaction, according to posters here, makes him an “outlier.” Male sexuality, we’re told in here, is perfectly okay with this. What does that leave? He’s a girl, or he’s weird, or he’s lame, or he’s broken, or he’s gay. It’s all about you wanting to celebrate a hot fantasy, not about him or boys like him who may be celebrating or may be suffering or may be doing both.

And finally, the fact that he’s not on this board doesn’t mean he’s not on the internet. Thousands or millions of older men are reveling in this, like it somehow reflects well on them that some boy scored with two women at a time. This same triumphant dick waving is happening all over the place. If you think he hasn’t seen it, you’re crazy.

Oh I get it. Men suck.

[wonky]

@Shakes

Oh I get it. Men suck.

Sure, some do. If you’re one of those, cut it out.

[even_sven]

I think some of the disconnect is that the “fiat-pumpers” are envisioning an idealized porno situation, where the two hot teachers just out of nowhere offer some no-strings-attached action and nothing more is said than some coy smiles.

That’s not a particularly common situation.

[wonky]

@even_sven

I think some of the disconnect is that the “fiat-pumpers”

The fantasy just went to a very weird place.

[Grrr]

@jsgoddess

Sure, some do. If you’re one of those, cut it out.

And by “some” you really mean “most”. That much is obvious.

[wonky]

@Shakes

And by “some” you really mean “most”. That much is obvious.

Because I think you have a potentially damaging take on sexual relationships between boys and their teachers, I think most men suck?

I begin to see why you struggle with ideas like “Don’t overgeneralize.”

[Grrr]

@jsgoddess

Because I think you have a potentially damaging take on sexual relationships between boys and their teachers, I think most men suck?

I begin to see why you struggle with ideas like “Don’t overgeneralize.”

Your words:

And finally, the fact that he’s not on this board doesn’t mean he’s not on the internet. Thousands or millions of older men are reveling in this, like it somehow reflects well on them that some boy scored with two women at a time. This same triumphant dick waving is happening all over the place. If you think he hasn’t seen it, you’re crazy.

Oh yeah, I totally get the deep admiration and respect you must have for men.

[wonky]

@Shakes

Oh yeah, I totally get the deep admiration and respect you must have for men.

Everyone does sucky things. I’m calling out a specific behavior by a sizable group of men. That doesn’t mean those men suck, or that they are all or most men. It means I think a specific behavior is bad.

Again, you seem to have trouble with generalizations. One specific behavior (at least one that’s this minor) does not make a sucky person. One sucky person does not make a sucky gender.

You are not speaking for men. You are speaking for you. I am not speaking for women. I am speaking for me. And I’m talking to you, not to every man in the world.

[twickster]

Shakes, jsgoddess, if you want to slag off on each other, go do it in the Pit. You’re getting off-topic with the personal attacks.

Thanks,

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

[bup]

@even_sven

I think some of the disconnect is that the “fiat-pumpers” are envisioning an idealized porno situation, where the two hot teachers just out of nowhere offer some no-strings-attached action and nothing more is said than some coy smiles.

Not a fiat-pumper, but I’d be willing to risk it. Not all 16 year olds would be fine, and that needs to be recognized.

But lots of men are pretty sure they could have done this at 16 and not been damaged. It’s OK that it’s like that. You don’t have to convince us we’re wrong.

[Count_Blucher]

@bup

You don’t have to convince us we’re wrong.

You don’t have to try so hard to convince us you’re right either…

[Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge]

@jsgoddess

Everyone does sucky things. I’m calling out a specific behavior by a sizable group of men. That doesn’t mean those men suck, or that they are all or most men. It means I think a specific behavior is bad.

Again, you seem to have trouble with generalizations. One specific behavior (at least one that’s this minor) does not make a sucky person. One sucky person does not make a sucky gender.

You are not speaking for men. You are speaking for you. I am not speaking for women. I am speaking for me. And I’m talking to you, not to every man in the world.

Well most of the men here agree with Shakes. Doesn’t that count for something?

[Count_Blucher]

@Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge

Well most of the men here agree with Shakes. Doesn’t that count for something?

Not all, just some vocal ones. I’m sure a lot of board members saw the topic and thought, "Oh, please. Here we go again. " and moved on to the next thread.

[bup]

@Count_Blucher

You don’t have to try so hard to convince us you’re right either…

I think I get to be right for myself.

[wonky]

@Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge

Well most of the men here agree with Shakes. Doesn’t that count for something?

Why would it? You may know, or think you know, how you would react to the situation. But you don’t know, even if you think you know, how every boy would react. He may be fine. He may not be fine. He may be a mixture of exhilarated and terrified and proud and grossed out.

That you don’t think it would be a problem for you doesn’t meant that it wouldn’t be a problem for someone else, or for you. There have been lots of things in my life I wanted or thought would be fine that turned out terrible or damaging.

[bup]

@jsgoddess

There have been lots of things in my life I wanted or thought would be fine that turned out terrible or damaging.

But you’re still a Cleveland Indians fan.

[Grrr]

@jsgoddess

Why would it? You may know, or think you know, how you would react to the situation. But you don’t know, even if you think you know, how every boy would react. He may be fine. He may not be fine. He may be a mixture of exhilarated and terrified and proud and grossed out.

That you don’t think it would be a problem for you doesn’t meant that it wouldn’t be a problem for someone else, or for you. There have been lots of things in my life I wanted or thought would be fine that turned out terrible or damaging.

Well, I’m not speaking in absolutes. You’re right, there is a chance this boy could be screwed up over this. But if I were a betting man, I’d bet the farm that he’s okay.

[wonky]

@bup

But you’re still a Cleveland Indians fan.

You ain’t even wrong.