Try that in the private sector and see how far you get.
I’m watching the Question Time ‘debate’ on the Sky News app here in the USA. May didn’t come off looking very good in the first part of the questions from the audience.
Corbyn has looked good up to now, he’s stumbling over the nuclear weapons question, but I really wonder why this issue is getting so much attention. No one is seriously thinking that there will be a first nuclear strike on the UK from Iran or North Korea.
Well lucky for us, not everything is the private sector - the NHS being one of them.
It’s siclly, but for some saving lives matters, but still have to afford to live.
I firmly believe that NHS nurses should be cherished, even those not good enough to get a more important, better paid job elsewhere.
Yeah what do nurse DO? She’s been a nurse for, what, 26 years? She’s likely at the top of her band, and for the past seven years has seen her income effectively fall.
You might recall that I too used to work in the state sector, and in a hospital to boot. Pay rises are not automatic. They have to be earned.
Hahaha, let me consult my SDMB database.
Nope, you only show up in the “Thinks nuking Buenos Aires is an appropriate strategy in a Falklands dispute” and “Umbrella!?!?” subcategories.
Tell me about your experience of being in the same building as some nurses, and the insight that brings.
Innuendo and out the other!
So the only way you can ‘earn’ a pay rise is by being promoted? It’s not suitable to simply do your own job damn well and save lives? Even when inflation makes it impossible for you to live, and yet you cannot get a better job because 100 other people apply for every position, and there’s no automatic career path?
As someone who does work in the public sector, this is an insulting, ignorant and infuriating attitude.
Do not make this into a personal feud.
If you want trade insults, go open a thread in The BBQ Pit.
EVERYONE tone it down. This thread is moving away from debate toward nothing but exchanges of cheap shots.
Knock it off.
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The problem is the poster who provokes and then hits the ‘Report button’, again and again.
And I’m sure he will do the same wit this post.
Fwiw, I don’t care about warnings, do what you like - I’ve obv. committed another terrible offence.
Unions have made it more or less impossible to earn a pay rise by doing your job well in many places, due to insisting people get paid the same regardless of how well they perform.
And unless your contract says otherwise no, you don’t have a right to annual rises. Which isn’t to say public sector workers shouldn’t get them, just that it’s not an automatic right, and shouldn’t be treated as one.
I suspect the point is a rise is not a rise if it doesn’t keep pace with inflation, it is a real world cut.
And on that basis, nurses pay has been cut by 15% in less than 8 years - hence some full-time nurses, by virtue of universal credit and other top up mechanisms, are reduced to using food banks.
This, of course, falls under the policy of ‘austerity’, now revealed to be bogus in principle and an attack on working class people.
To be honest, at the end of a week that saw Ian Paterson jailed for carrying out unnecessary surgery on multiple patients, probably - at least in part- for financial reasons, I’m not sure that PRP is a good fit with healthcare provision.
Latest YouGuv poll gives the Tories only 308 seat. Hung parliament?
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YouGov’s results have consistently been the most favourable to Labour this cycle, so we’ll have to see. There’s a slew of polls due this evening. I’ll try and post them all once they’re out.
Oh, I understand that. Doesn’t change the fact the a rise of any sort, whether in line with inflation, above, or below, is not a right.
Nurses, on almost £24k a year starting salary, are now “working class”? Bollocks. No-one earning that amount needs charity, they need to plan better. That starting salary is only £4k below the average wage, it’s not by any standards a low amount.
That said, given the trouble the NHS is having recruiting and retaining nurses, it should be higher. But that’s because of market forces, not because of nonsense about nurses being impoverished.
I’m not sure rewarding mediocrity is a good fit for healthcare provision, either. Some mechanism should exist to reward those who do their jobs well.
I’m not very good with Google and so just picked the first link:
Also, why are you talking about salary when the issue under discussion was Tory real money pay cuts.
They’ve started to arrive, and they are all over the place. Comres has the Tories 12 points ahead, and Survation only 1 point ahead.
Crucial to this is the assumptions they are making about turnout, particularly among the young.