Updike and New Iskander, it's a twofer tuesday!

I used “highschool” because that’s what FinnAgain said in post #52. I guess he never got there, either, heh?

If we’re doing spelling nit-picks, why didn’t you call him out? Idiot.

Mr. Svin, you were eating too much reindeer brains, you fucking moron. You bring up a thread that is almost 2 years old, where I was defending actions of US military into this one, which is based on my accusing local Dems of being too cozy with the CIA (lay off, FA). How brain-dead stupid is that?

Did it also occur to you that during this time I might have had a change of mind? Perhaps I once had unhealthy desire seeing some dictator with droopy mustaches really suffer? Perhaps I got over it? Regretted it, even apologized for it? You sit there steeping your stupid indignation in reindeer offal concoctions, while the life goes on, you Saddam’s most devoted butt-licker!

Maybe because my typo was while I was admitting one of my posts was probably written poorly, and yours was when you were being an intellectually dishonest turd-licker and avoiding the issues by making ad hominem attacks?

Just a hunch.

Isky, we can drop our spat if you stop doing what I Pitted you for. Obviously, when you take the time, you can compose posts which are readable. As such, you have no excuse to do otherwise. You hold forth with patently absurd claims without reading background information first. And you also engage in purile liberal-baiting and absurd black/white thinking.

Stop those things, and I won’t have a problem with you.

You are an asshole.

Yours was a “typo” because you suffered a momentary lack of clear writing, but my “typo”, (which it wasn’t, at all, because I was refering to your post in my reply) is because I’m being dishonest and making ad hominem attacks???

You’ve got to be kidding.

Who’s being dishonest and making ad hominem attacks? You are, and have been, in this entire thread. Prick.

For the third time. (or is it the fourth?)

But I just have to say:

Sure you were.

Now, I’m just going to ignore the rest of your braindead post. If someone else wants to deal with it they can, or maybe I’ll get bored and tear you apart later.

Answer a simple question, if you can. Why is it a “typo” when you do it, but “intellectual dishonesty” when I use the very same phrase?

Consider the source.

Svin must be sleeping with reindeers, so I have a little time for you.

Let’s cut the crap, shall we?

I admit my phrasing of the issue was extremely provocative and inflammatory. Nonetheless, the big issue remains, the one of hypocrisy and political opportunism. There is no logical explanation for celebrating Libby’s indictment while screaming about Cheney advocating giving free hand to CIA in treatment of secret prisoners at the same time; none, except the sheer political opportunism, intended to turn everything into anti-Bush fest.

Why do CIA agents deserve special protection? Simply because they do dirty unpleasant difficult work for this nation, the kind of work not many have a stomach for. Idiots like Svin will call me a sadistic fascist for saying this, but it is as simple as 2x2. We all know that.

If Cheney goes to speak before Congress about allowing the CIA to use extreme methods in extreme cases, do you think it is his sole initiative? Or perhaps CIA people told him, “Look, if you want us to produce results, you gotta give us more leeway”?

Okay, just got done watching a truly shitty zombie movie about mindless shambling husks of flesh, so I thought of you Uppy.

First, yet again…

Now, I just want to know, honestly want to know, are you really this stupid or just pretending? I mean, you’re not really this dumb, are you? Do you honestly think making a typo is what makes one intellecually dishonest? Should we fry you with excessive light now?

See, mine wasn’t intellectually dishonest because it was in the context of thanking someone for pointing out that my post came off a different way than I’d intended.

Your post was intellectually dishonest, with or without the typo, because after I’d asked you for, what, the second or third time to focus on the actual charges I made in my OP, you instead responded with a pure ad hominem attack, ignoring the subject yet again. Although, I suppose if we are to pick a semantic nit it was not, necessarily, an ad hominem fallacy. Perhaps instead of trying to suggest that my opinions weren’t valid because you thought I was in high school, you were just frothing at the mouth. Again, these things are hard to tell with you.

Now, you’ve also claimed I’ve used ad hominem fallacies… cite?
I’ve certainly called you stupid, but I haven’t said you’re wrong because you’re stupid. I’ve talked about you being wrong and stupid.

Anyways, not that it isn’t fun smacking you about the head and shoulders with a cluestick, but I’m actually a bit in awe of your stupidity. I think I’m going to gaze in wonder for a while at the fact that you’re able to remember not to drink out of the toilet. (You generally do remember that, right?)

Have your parents ever ‘accidentally’ ‘forgotten’ you in an area full of wolves?
I think they might’ve been trying to tell you something.

They do work for this nation that requires that their identities remain secret. As mentioned above, we’re not talking James Bond here. Do you believe that we should notify other nations who our spies are? And when they arrive? And what they’re looking for?

Who has supported the CIA breaking the law? As far as I can tell, all posters here have agreed that CIA agents who break the law should be punished.

I can accept that the CIA requires intense overview. I can accept that there may be some skepticism about the quality of that overview. But to deny that the work of the CIA requires secrecy is both naive and foolish.

Ah, so that’s how it works. When FinnAgain can’t answer a simple question, the peanut gallery chimes in. Got it.

Anyway, one would think that deliberately baiting another member would be against the rules, but that’s just me:

Carry on, dear.

WTF is with the google ads here? Diaper rash spray? Cure scabies?

Anyway, while New Iskanders poor english makes his posts unintentionally funny, it’s possible that it’s just because english isn’t his first language.

In this forum, one would be wrong. If one wishes a more genteel argument, one may try Great Debates. One may leave one’s hat on there; one will need it for getting it handed to one.

Judging from your next sentence, it seems only one of us has any crap to cut.

I take it you did that, made posts which were provocative and inflammatory, on purpose and of your own free will? (I notice that you have no problem with the English language now, either.)

Finally, you talk about what you were Pitted for.

No, there most certainly is a logical explanation.
Libby outed a covert agent in retalliation for her husband debunking some of the lies which were used to sell the war, and in so doing, has severaly damaged American credibility and intelligence gathering capabilities.
Torture, in addition to being against international law and common morality, also makes Americans less safe, does not work, has been used on innocent people by our forces, and has given us false intel which we used for a justification for invading Iraq.

See, it’s this exact absurd absolutism and black/white thinking which I Pitted you for. Do you really not understand the difference between outing a covert agent who has done no wrong in order to silence someone who debunks your lies, and pointing out the fact that our forces are breaking international laws and harming our country?

No, again, your ‘simplification’ is stupid.
Not all CIA agents deserve protection. But those who aren’t harming our country and engaging in illegal activies do.

See? Nuance, it’s what’s for dinner.

Maybe a bit of both. So?

Do you still think that after seeing him just write a post with virtually perfect grammar and syntax? Hell, he just used a semicolon, correctly!

Not trying to be hostile, just curious.

You’re completely unhinged.

FinnAgain using “highschool”, is a typo.

Updike using “highschool” means I’m stupid according to HarborWolf, and dishonest according to you.

Yep, that’s rational.

Jeez… you are doing this on purpose, aren’t you? Nobody could be that stupid.

You’re either making this shit up, or you’re actually so fucking stupid that when I say, in plain English, that your typo had nothing to do with your post being intellectually dishonest, you still think that I was saying it was because of the typo. But at least you’ve quit with the whinging “You hate me because I’m a Republican” bullshit.

Still, you’re obviously not cognitively able to participate in building a mud pie, let alone discussion on the Dope. Unless you, finally, respond to the fucking things you were Pitted for, I will simply let you run your damn fool mouth and not respond to the rest of your posts. I’ve already made my point about you anyway Uppy, and you’ve helped me to prove it.

Ciao ciao.

From the FAQ:

Q: What is a troll?
A: “Troll,” in the context of message boards and the like, describes somebody who is posting just to be confrontational or to raise hackles.

In the context of this thread, how could EddyTeddyFreddy’s post, # 30, NOT be described as “posting just to be confronational or to raise hackles”?

Since you’re a moderator, could I have a clarification, please?

Gosh, Updike, you are on a roll
Calling ETF out as a troll
Shall we ask for a vote?
Who’s the trolliest goat?
Is it me? Is it you? To the polls!

Oh, and Mods, I am not calling EddyTeddyFreddy any verboten names, I’ts just that his/her behavior in post #30 sucks, and that particular quote from the FAQ backs up my point, IMHO.