Yes. There are gay people who marry people of the opposite sex and have sex with their spouses. This choice does not make them straight.
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Ethilrist, I think it’s covered above, but here’s one more:
I was pretty sure I wasn’t going to like haggis. Almost everyone I knew said it was gross. My culture, particularly informed by the American Southwest and the rural American South, argued that it was awful and that I simply wouldn’t like it at all. Moreover, it argued that I shouldn’t like it.
But I found something attractive about haggis. Didn’t know why, maybe just sheer cussedness, but I tried it anyway, just to see. And it turned out I really like it. I didn’t choose to like haggis, it just hit my tastebuds in the right way. Damn, I thought, this is really good. Dunno what all them other people were talking about. Had I never tried it, I would never have realized that haggis is pretty damned tasty.
(Admittedly, if a drunk gropy haggis has tried to force itself into my mouth I would likely have soured on the entire concept of the dish.)
Of course, the metaphor gets more interesting when we think about how tastes change. When I was young I did not like the taste of whiskey at all. I found it disgusting and horrid and painful. My recycling bin can attest to how my tastes have changed as I’ve aged. There was something in it that I found appealing, even when I didn’t enjoy the taste. I got used to it, and learned to like it. But I didn’t put it down the first time and say “that’s definitely not for me.” I know plenty of people who have. I know people who’ve tried it enough to learn to appreciate it for what it is, even enjoy it once in a while, but not as a regular thing.
Full disclosure, I’m a Kinsey scale zealot. I believe that there are very few pure zeroes and pure sixes in the world, and I do believe that sexual expression is mutable. I also believe that “sexual orientation” is hugely informed by culture I didn’t *choose *to find men sexually attractive any more than I chose to find women sexually attractive. I don’t want to fuck every man and every woman in the world, but I don’t want to eat every haggis either.
I thought I might like haggis if I tried it. I *chose *to find out. Turns out I do. If you don’t, that’s totally cool. If you’re so repelled by the very idea of eating a nice big haggis that you’ll never try it, then that’s also totally cool. Me, I wanted to know for sure.
[sub]Just by way of keeping my metaphors (ahem) straight, when I say “haggis,” I mean “cock.” When I say “whiskey” I mean “whiskey.” Oh, whiskey. you’re always there for me.[/sub]
Damn, I thought you were actually talking about haggis.
Well, also haggis.
I’m kind of offended that something like cock is being compared to haggis, actually. Damn, what do you men think of your members?
And if you don’t want to try haggis there are any number of other sausages (boiled puddings) out there that are almost the same.
Ok, now are you talking about cock or actual boiled puddings? This is getting really confusing.
I am a boring, married, faithful hetero. I don’t even talk about my own cock much less anyone else’s.
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Regarding the subject of the Pitting. The guy seems to be proud to be a red neck. Growing up in the South, we learned that being a red neck is nothing to be proud of. Until Jeff Foxworthy showed up, that is.
Og help me, but I agree with Clothy. If he makes a personal attack, report him. If he’s reveling in his own deliberate ignorance, plonk the fucker, and be done with him.
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I forget where I read this, but I remember the looks of the male non-erect member cum sack being compared to something hanging from the mouth of a shark after a meal.
It’s not far off, if I’m being honest.
ETA : maybe “cum” was not the right conjunction to use there…
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Christ, dude, see a doctor about that.
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gays are about 3% of males
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So he’s saying that all males are 3% gay? Who knew?
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Best to go after the other 50% of humanity.
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I’m not seeing that the arithmetic is any better than the opinions.
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Although its description is not immediately appealing, haggis has an excellent nutty texture and delicious savoury flavour.
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I don’t even have to make a risqué comment here.
- All quotes are taken out of context for sarcastic affect.
Yeah, when I said " conscious choice" I was trying to convey something that didn’t quite come across - maybe “carefully considered choice” would’ve been a better word choice.
But even many Christian organizations, including the Mormon church - are backing away from the " being gay is a choice" meme in their own twisted way. They are starting to play this semantic game and differentiating between “gay” and “same-sex attracted” - holding out that “gay” is a lifestyle choice while being same sex attracted is somehow something different but OK as long as you don’t act on it
I first found out about this phenomena when I stumbled on the TLC special " My Husband’s NOT gay", which featured a bunch of Mormon guys that seem to spend most of their waking hours ogling men and fantasizing about big throbbing dicks but because they are married to women and manage to (*for the most part) refrain from actually sex with men, then they aren’t gay and everything else is hunky-dory.
- in one of the vignettes, one of the wives freaks out when her husband announces he’s going camping with “the guys” and makes reference to “an incident at a sleepover where things got out of control”.
I found it a little amusing and a little sad- these guys are hell-bent against marriage equality and the underlying reasoning seems to be that if people no longer have to make a choice between having a traditional family with a spouse and kids and a ranch house in the suburbs and homosexuality, then their marriages are made irrelevant.
You guys realize that you’re just using slightly different meanings of “choose,” right? There isn’t actually a real disagreement going in here.
I’m more offended by that then his constant protestations of not understanding the mindset of gay men.
WTF did his wife even report? Hello police? A middle eastern guy bought a pressure cooker from me!