Something tells me that we are going to pay for this in the form of another terrorist attack. If there was anything to enrage Arabs on the street, this will be it. They now have confirmation of everything they suspected, so we are screwed. Don’t expect the war on terror to be over any time soon now, because we’ll be paying for this shit for a long time to come now.
And to NI
For you suggesting that Saddam be electrocuted being equivalent to me wishing that Bush had to go to Iraq is not the same. The logic is twisted. There’s a difference between forcing others to risk their lives and torturing. Forcing someone to risk their life is sometimes necessary and desirable. Think about WWII, for example. Torturing is never good, and should be considered one of the things that civilized societies don’t do, like canibalism, or rape. The whole eye for an eye thing is okay, as long as you don’t cross the boundary for civilized human beings. I could equally wish for GWB to be impeached, but not for Osama to be put in an Airplaine and crashed into a building full of terrorists.
See? Its caused civilized society. We’ve been doing pretty well at being civilized, but any slip backwards should be discouraged and undesireable. Before humans used to enslave and kill other members of other tribes. I think everybody else gets that, except you. Although your more primitive instincts may react emotionally and think such a thing is just, they should certainly be caught by the more logical centers of your brain that are required to think out an intelligent argument.
On to more important things:
I think this is very important, and although this war is complete shit now, I certainly hope we actually learn something from this. But I am not sure if we will, because GWB has been the king of irresponsibility, and never admiting to mistakes. Wise people always admit their mistakes and learn from them. I sure hope we learn that although we have big guns and the most powerful military in the world, we can’t go around pissing people off, because it always comes back. You invade Iraq pissing all over the UN and the rest of the opinion of the world, you get little respect from the Iraqis.
People who did this have no respect for other human beings. They have no respect for the laws of civilization. When you hear of the British troops talking about the Americans, you begin to wonder if there isn’t something wrong with our society.
There is no possible good that can come out of Iraq not that will not require lots of lost life and further destruction. It will require us to not strike back an eye for an eye and for us to be as pacifist as possible. You can’t kill terrorists with bombs, you only make more. Why the fuck hasn’t Israel won its war against terror yet?
One one hand I agree that we should get UN troops in as soon as possible. If we stay there we are just going to keep digging ourselves into a hole. However I do believe that with a new president, or shit, at least a new philosophy and a clearly thought out plan that involves some serious thinking on what we want to accomplish and what is possible. If (please God don’t let it happen!) GWB gets reelected I hope he will fucking taking responsibility for his actions considering how he doesn’t need to get elected again.
I get the feeling that we don’t know jack-shit about what is going on there and even less about what should be expected and how to do it. All of the main people are in the greenzone and are corrupt playing power politics and sucking on the big spigot of US taxpayer money all the while people are dying and devolving into the lowest form of human life unpunished and underinvestigated by this “what, me worry?” press and society. :mad: The whole is a colossal waste of time, money, life, international prestige, and every single resource put into it. And every day the president talks about sacrifice and how there are no more rape-rooms. That’s really about all he has left now, because the torture is off the list although I wouldn’t be surprised if there was raping going on because nobody takes any responsibility for a goddamn thing in our government any more. If its bad press, its hidden away and that’s good enough because politics is all that matters. At least the news is starting to focus on the huge clusterfuck that is Iraq now.
This now confirms that unless we do some serious thinking, and taking responsibility for what the hell is going on there, then we are headed the way of Saddam. Its true. We will have replaced Saddam as the opressors of the Iraqi people.
I just wish FOR ONCE that someone would take fucking responsibility!
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GROWNUPS??? 
