Using an 11 year old as a Human Bomb

The BBQ Pit
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Aldebaran - to clear things up a bit, a few more points from the original BBC story (Boldings below mine):

So it would appear that this was a deliberate, cold-blooded attempt to use this child as a living bomb. No “mistakes” here.

And yet I still agree that he was “at the wrong place at the wrong time”. So, apparently, does the army (which released him quite shortly after the bomb was discovered). This is the whole point of my post - how can you defend the use of an innocent, unknowing 11 year old boy as a human bomb. How can you defend those who knowingly sent him to die a horrible death?

Dani

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Correction: Canadian side.

I laughed at the fact that you would EVEN CONSIDER to believe “Palestinian organisations known to organize suicide bombings”. What next? Heroine addicts? Actually, crack whores have more credibility.

Your ability to give any kind of weight to Suicide Bomber Organisations as “information” leads me to question your ability to determine your asshole from your elbow. Where DO you get your news from? Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades’ website? Hamas?

I’m emotionally frustrated by every bastard who kills in the name of Allah. Tell me, Aldebaran, what the hell would that kid have done with 72 virgins? Regardless, I’m quite able to make up my own mind, based on facts, contrary to some people. My mind is preconditioned by the fact that over and over, we see Palestinians pulling shit that’s so low, you couldn’t even dream of it. Case in point. As for logic, I recommend you use some.

Next time you see the IDF giving kids artillery to do their dirty work, let me know. Until then, look at the fucking facts instead of making excuses. It’s quite obvious what’s going on.

Shalom. CM

Or have you forgotten what those words mean?

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WD

where does

This child or other children or Israelis or Palestinians would have been killed or wounded and then **this would have been clearly the intention. **

taking in mind that is was clearly the intention of the makers that this bomb ** would** explode at that checkpoint.

means to you:

No children would have been killed by the bomb, it was the intention of the bomb makers that no children be killed.
I know that my use of the English language can come across as weird, but to me it isn’t all that weird in this case, no?
Salaam. A

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[quote=Noone Special]
So it would appear that this was a deliberate, cold-blooded attempt to use this child as a living bomb. No “mistakes” here.

Yes, it appears like that in the story you bring on. It appeared something else in other stories and in the interview with a child that was presented as the one involved.
An intervieuw which as we all know could have been manipulated by cutting and pasting a bit, just like every type of story can be manipulated, even with editing it while translating.

Sorry? Where did that came from?
Salaam. A

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Here’s how I see it.

  1. Assholes tell little kid to pick up a “package” to take to someone across the border. (child doesn’t know what it is)
  2. While child is walking past unsupecting guards, (who would think an 11 year old would have a bomb) the bomb is detonated by the assholes.
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From your continuous attempt to imply that the bomb was “just left there” for anyone to pick up, and it “just happened” to be picked up by this boy. Yeah right…
The boy himself has said that the bag was handed to him by a man who asked him to take it through the checkpoint. This was deliberate. There is no way you can paint it otherwise.

As to defending the actions of the terrorists, I wasn’t talking about “you, Aldebaran” when I said “you” above, nor implying that you personally would defend it. I was back to addressing the readers ar large, using a generic “you”. But hey, if the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it.

World Eater - Your interpertation is entirely correct, IMO. Thankfully, the bomb failed to go off, and the child is alive to tell the story… But not through the terrorists lack of trying :frowning:

Dani

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I didn’t refer to your location.

Where did I ever say that I believe there side of this story?

and would you mind to keep your language civil? Thank you

Every information is information for someone trained at sifting through information in order to come to a point where a conclusion can be made about a certain event. Information from every angle and every possible background/source is what it is all about when you are historian. Even in contemporan events like this one where you have no possibility to verify the credibility because of the simple fact it is contemporan event.

Well, then you can maybe imagine how it is for myself and millions of other Muslims on this globe.

If you can show me with irrefutable proof the link between 72 virgins “promised” to suicide bombers and Al Qur’an, I shall support your doctoral thesis after reading it and tested it on its contenance. Since you shall overrule mine.

To me there is nothing “quite obvious” in this whole ongoing situation. But that is obviously because I look at it with the disconnected mind of a historian, while you look at it with your emotions and your heart… balancing to one side.

I prefer to refrain from taking this as a direct insult.
You obviously by accident overlooked that I sign all my posts with wishing people peace -whatever heated debate we are into or not - and that people even made a thread on this “BBQ” thing to attack me about that.

Salaam. A

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Ok, just making sure I’m not crazy.

I can’t imagine what the debate here is then.

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The explanation is simple: There are people in the world who are willing to sacrifice their children for some perverse religious or politicial belief. And these people deserve our contempt more than anything else, no matter how much they have suffered.

I was actually reminded of Golda Meir’s famous quote a few months ago when I was reading about Israel’s demographic problem and Likud’s new-found support for unlaterteral disengagement from the Palestinian:

I thought of what would she think that after all the casualties that Israel has suffered, it gave up the territories because in the end, Israel’s leaders feared the birth of one more Arab child more than they feared the death of one more Israeli child.

And as for which side I’m on, I’m with those Israelis and Palestinians who want to end this conflict once and for all.

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Here’s my thinking…

We have the technology to scan urine tests for the presence of every known performance enhancing agent using mass spectronomy.

And an F-18 using Hughes Aerospace multi-frequency radar can scan an enemy plane from 20 miles out and tell you if it’s friend or foe, and whether it’s missiles are locked and cocked.

OK, so work with me here now… there are what? 7, maybe 8 possible explosive recipes which can do the sort of damage we’re seeing at the moment. Stuff like nitro-glycerine, ammonia-nitrate fertilizer, dynamite, C4 plastic. Why the friggin hell can’t we design a monster x-ray scanner which zaps everyone approaching a check point from say 200 yards out? Or set up a series of 'em all over the place.

I know, I know… if you turn up the scanner wattage too high there’s a significant chance your children are gonna be born with two heads… I know that. But there are ways of using lower wattage scanners which can work with much smaller detection distances which could theoretically detect the presence of known explosive spectronomy signatures. Surely this can be done?

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If you heard him say that, then I agree that is the most plausible version to believe.
I didn’t hear him say that, yet I also wasn’t exactly in front of a TV screen when by accident I listened to this interview. Hence I posted here:

*The child gave the impression that when he came along, the package was already where he picked it up = it looks like that it was not handed to him directly, but left somewhere and thus he picked it up for transporting it. *

Where do you make of that a “continoius atetmpt to imply” anything?

I further posted:

Wether it was explicitely meant to be carried by a child, let be this particular child, is in this version an open question.

Which is true.
I further said that such interviews can easily be manipulated.
Furhter: Since you accuse me of “defending terrorists”, our conversation on these boards has ended until you apologize for your rudiness.

Salaam. A

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It seems that one must assume that the Israelis are telling the truth about the kid being a bomber versus being a courier. The bomber angle could be Israeli propaganda. Really not enough information in the article.

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Dear Mr. Aldebaran,

You make it too easy on me.

To a Palestinian sympathizer in sheep’s clothing? That WAS civil. I know in your part of town, women aren’t supposed to talk to men like that, but welcome to the FUCKING WORLD WIDE WEB, my man! Get fucking used to it. And no, you’re not allowed cutting my clitoris off either. I like sex. I like it a lot. Sucks to be you.

Ok, I take it that means all of my arguments, right? As for your “holy” book, the Koran, let me quote you where it says to kill all Jews and you tell me if I got it right.

How bout these for starters:

There’s no point playing with you; every time you’re losing, you move the goal posts. I think I’ve had enough with replying to men who sign off, “Salaam”, cause that’s the absolute last thing they stand for. Go tie yourself up to a fucking bomb, so Allah loves you more (if you think it’s such a great idea), and do me a fucking favour while you’re at it.

Tell Him Cheeky sent you.

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From the Herald Sun:
SO people who’d prefer to think our Mufti is a man of peace and truth will be shocked to read the transcript of his sermon at the Sidon Mosque on February 13, in an official translation arranged by our Embassy in Lebanon.

Hilali began by telling “this blessed gathering at this mosque, the mosque of jihad and manhood” that his topic was the “true meaning of manhood”.

“Brothers of Islam, there is a war of infidels taking place that requires real men and strong positions that prove our manhood towards God,” he thundered.

“How many Palestinian women are being imprisoned by Zionists in Israel? How many women were raped in Bosnia, Herzogovina and Chechnya? Where are the real men?”

Where? The real men were in Hezbollah, he said, and real men were now needed to “answer the call of Jerusalem” – and “those who care for their living more than they do for he who gives life are not real men”.

"Children and mothers are crying: Sons of Islam, there is a war of infidels taking place everywhere.

“The true man is the boy who opposes Israeli tanks with strength and faith. The boy who, despite his mother’s objections, goes out to war to become a martyr like his elder brother. The boy who tells his mother . . .‘Oh, mother, jihad has been imposed on me and I want to become a martyr’.”

(Remember: “martyr” is widely held to be someone who dies fighting for Islam, and not least those who die in suicide attacks.)

WHAT’S more, Hilali said, “perhaps we will find one day an Islamic revolution, and Islamic ideology in Western countries. Don’t be surprised if one day you hear the muezzin calling for prayer and saying, ‘Allah is great’ from the top of the White House.”

Referring to the al-Qaida attack on the United States that killed some 3000 civilians, Hilali declared: "September 11 is God’s work against oppressors.

“Some of the things that happen in the world cannot be explained. A civilian airplane whose secrets cannot be explained – if we ask its pilot who reached his objective without error, who led your steps? If we ask the giant that fell, who humiliated you? Or if we ask the President, who made you cry? God is the answer.”

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I’d like to state for the record that I don’t give one fuck if the kid picked the package up, or it was handed to him. Either way he wasn’t aware of the contents, and the asshole who would remotely detonate it would have to have a line of sight to it. They could easily see who picked it up, and thus the blood is on their hands when it goes boom.

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Learn how to read. Sheesh.

Dani

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The whole episode is rather sad, but woe, not surprising.

I feel really bad for the Palestinian people.

They are doubly oppressed. On one side by the Israelis, and on the other by their ‘benefactors’.

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…Try, try again :frowning:

Will they never learn?

Dani

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In reference to the 11 yr old in the OP, this article has Israelis admitting to the possibility of him being used as courier as opposed to a bomber.

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CheekyMonkey613, what the fuck is your problem? I personally think that Aldebaran is a twit for his various lunatic political theories (actually, I thought you two would be buddies, given your own insane anti-US feelings) , but your hostility and rudeness towards his religion are uncalled for. The Tanakh is full of vicious rules that we no longer follow, and we hate it when people pull them out of historical context to declaim Judaism as a barbaric religion, and here you are doing that exact same thing to Aldebaran.

I don’t think you remember the meaning of the words shalom and salaam either.