Vehicle attacks

Was just reading about this latest attack in Canada that killed 9 and injured 16 as was thinking about the ramifications of this new vector for nuts and terrorists to kill large numbers of people. I can’t think of any way to prevent things like this, since there are always large pedestrian crowds near roadways or other areas vehicles can access, and it seems to me that the copycat effect along with wide publications by the mass media will only make this method used more in the future (as seems to be the case, as the number of these incidents seems to be growing, though that might just be perception).

Can anything be done, or do we just have to suck it up and accept that things like this will happen? Is this even a problem, since out of the many 10’s of thousands of vehicle deaths a year in the US alone it’s a relatively small handful coming from such attacks?

(please note, this is NOT a gun debate…there are many of them already, so please try and stick to the OP and discuss this topic without straying to others)

Without trying to sound flippant, would it kill us to take a close look at what these terrorists are so pissed off about?

Well, in this case it seems like perhaps it’s about the G7 conference (maybe?), but it could be anything, including just an accident I suppose or just some nut. So, not sure which ‘terrorists’ to really ask. The point, though…is there anything we could do about it, regardless of whether it’s a nut, a terrorist or something else? I don’t think asking what the various people who might be contemplating using this method of mass mayhem might be pissed off about is really going to do much.

I see what you you did there.

But you (XT) asked if there was anything we could do. Anything at all. We could try to remove the motivation for such acts.
A local lunatic with a vehicle? No, not much we could do. But I don’t remember this being a regular occurance in days gone by.

  • ban cattle guards on trucks unless you are a registered rancher
  • increased screening at truck rental agencies
  • close the re-rental loopholes
  • don’t permit automatic transmissions on trucks over a certain hp
  • increase the driving age on commercial vehicles to 21 or over

What is your understanding of “what [they] are so pissed off about?”

No, it wasn’t. But that doesn’t mean it won’t be or isn’t today. A lot of things weren’t done regularly in the ‘days gone by’ but are today. These vehicle attacks seem to be gaining popularity in the folks who want to do mass harm, at least that’s my perception in the last few years.

Interesting. Have any of these mass vehicle attacks been by someone under 21? I can sort of see the others, but not sure what that one would achieve.

I propose that we ask them. Is one in custody now in Toronto, or is he dead?

I don’t see it becoming a major terrorist tactic. Even a successful attack is only going to kill a relatively small number of people. And people already deal with the possibility of being in a car accident. Having the knowledge that terrorists are intentionally causing them would raise the anxiety but it wouldn’t be people facing a new threat.

  • Protect high-traffic sidewalks with guard rails and bollards

  • Make collision-avoidance systems mandatory on new cars & trucks

Even if they don’t eliminate terrorists, they will be worthwhile for reducing injuries and fatalities from accidents.

The Toronto attacker was arrested. I assume that by now he’s got a lawyer that will prevent people from asking “Why did you do that?” (along with any other questions).

Ban deathrace 2000!

The truck attack in Nice, France killed 86 people and injured hundreds. Aside from 9/11 and attacks using explosives, I’m having trouble thinking of any terrorist attack that had that many casualties.

That certainly seems to be the case:

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I think this was a thinly-veiled attempt to turn this into another gun debate.

Parallels and comparisons are almost inevitable on this forum, despite the OP’s plea.

An obvious, though far from immediate, solution is technology:

Cars that are smart enough to prevent the driver from running into pedestrian – “I can’t let you do that, Dave.

And yet, most people manage to avoid it. Perhaps the remaining few could reach a little higher.