Verizon DSL can rot in the pits of either a Fiery Hell or Pittsburgh

So, I’m moving into my new house (without any help, since I’m ranting now, thank you very much) and getting phone service installed. The lady tells me that Verizon (who is our local provider) is having a special on DSL and since I know I’m eventually going to get it anyway, I thinks to myself … what the hell. I go for it. She tells me that I need to get an ethernet adapter which I do; $15 at CompUSA and installs like a bitch in heat. All is right with the world.

Wednesday I get the call from their automatic notification service that the DSL is now ready and as soon as I get the package from them, I can set it up. Oh happiness, oh rapture, oh joy unconfined.

Thursday I got the package from UPS. More happiness, more rapture, more joy unconfined.

I opened the package. That was my first mistake.

I take everything out and hook everything up. All the wires and plugs go exactly where they’re supposed to go. Beauty. I take their CD out of the package and put it in my drive to install the software.

It won’t install.

I decide to call their tech support number. This is my second mistake.

After going through all the hoops of their voice mail system, I actually get a human voice. I’ll give myself one point for that. This may be the last point I get. Verizon 0, Me 1.

He asks me for my local number and whoops! Turns out their automatic transfer system automatically transferred them to the wrong area. let’s just transfer you over to the proper area, okay? Okay. Verizon 1, Me 1. We’re all tied up, folks.

I get over the the “right” person who presumably is some sort of tech support person. Presumably. We can hope. In retrospect I’m not sure if this guy had enough technical knowledge to open a can of tuna fish. I get the feeling that he’s reading off of a checklist since he doesn’t ask what my problem is, but starts asking me questions that don’t have anything do to with it.

“Look at your modem. Are their three green lights?”

“Um … no,” I say, racing back and forth between the phone (which is in my bedroom) and the computer (which is in the parlor. Parlor. I love that word, much more than “living room.” It sounds much more … Victorian.) “I have two green lights and the one in the middle is blinking.”

“Ruh roh,” Scooby Doo says. “That means that you don’t have a signal yet. Let me pull up your account here. Ah … your hookup was pushed pack! It won’t be connected until the 28th.”

Verizon 2, Me 1.

So, now I’m getting a bit pissed. “Were you going to tell me this eventually?”

“I’m sorry, sir … that’s really out of my hands.”

“Can I tell you what the problem is now?”

“Just a second … you say your computer is in your Victorian Living Room and the phone is in the bedroom?”

“Uh, duh, yeah!”

“You know the modem can’t be any longer than 15 feet from the phone jack, right?”

Verizon 3, Me 1.

“Noooooo,” I say. “Wasn’t this something you guys should have told me when I signed up for the service?”

Let’s all sing together … “I’m sorry, sir … that’s really out of my hands.”

He continues … “Is there anything else I can help you with tonight?”

I scratch my head, tufts of hair already starting to fall out. “Well, firstly, you’ve pushed back my hookup without telling me AND you’ve now told me that I have to set it up in a different way that you didn’t inform me of when I signed up AND you still haven’t given me the good graces that God gave grapes to ask me what the problem I calling about is!”

He relents. I think maybe I’m about to score a point. Just for giggles I’ll give myself a half. I’m generous like that. Verizon 3, Me 1.5.

“Okay, sir, what problem are you experiencing?” You can tell tech support people are getting down to business when they start using words like “experiencing.”

“The software won’t install. I click on the ‘setup’ program and it just gives be a “VOL Check” error message.”

“Can you tell me what the error message says?”

I should have hung up right then. Subtract one point for lack of precognition. Verizon 3, Me .5.

“It says ‘Cannot install ikernal.exe.’”

“A kernel error? That’s gotta be your operating system then.”

Verizon 4, Me .5.

“Huh? What?”

“A kernel error is always the operating system.”

“Okay,” I try to explain. I’m going to take away that last half a point I gave myself for even trying to explain this to someone who makes Jay and Silent Bob look like Albert Einstein and Gandhi. “So you’re telling me that I’ve been able to install software from at least 20 different companies without any problems and yours is the only software I’ve ever had any problem with and you’re going to tell me it’s MY operating system at fault.”

Verizon 5, Me 0.

“A kernal error is always the operating system.”

“Forgive me if I don’t believe you.”

Let’s all sing along. “A kernal error is always the operating system.”

He tries to save himself. After all, these calls may be recorded to assure customer satisfaction. “Is there anything else I can help you with?”

I lose it. “YOU HAVEN’T FUCKING HELPED ME SO FAR! OF THREE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS I’VE HAD, YOU HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO HELP ME WITH A SINGLE ONE!”

“I’m sorry, sir … but.”

Yah. I just don’t want to hear anymore and hang up on him.

It occurs to me later once I’m able to extinguish the flames coming out of my ears that maybe it won’t install the software is that it won’t unless it can find a DSL signal through the modem. This is my theory right now, so we’ll check it again on the 28th as long as they don’t push my hookup date back another three years. But just for a lark, I decide to explore the setup CD they sent me and guess what?

THE ‘IKERNAL.EXE’ PROGRAM THAT THEY CLAIM IS MY OPERATING SYSTEM IS A FUCKING PROGRAM ON THEIR OWN FUCKING DISK!

Verizon 6, Me 0. Game. Set Match.

Fuckers.

HEY!!!

What the HELL is wrong with Pittsburgh, Euty?

Looks like you’ve got some ‘xplainin’ to do!

See here.

cough bullshit cough

Wow, sounds like you were fed a line of crap. I guess their score is going to go up, because the ikernel.exe error will not go away even when your DSL is connected.

Are you sure you even have to use their software to begin with?

hehehe, that sounds just about right. I used to work for Verizon DSL technical support and I should mention first off that the agents have to end the call with “Is there anything else I can help you with today?” or we get in shit. Don’t hate the agent for that, it isn’t their fault… Verizon makes us say that.

A little hint. If a technical support guy (or girl) says “Is there anything else I can help you with?” before they’ve even helped you with anything, you can bet that they are screwed and don’t know what the hell to do. I should know, I used to use that trick all the time.

If you really want to fuck with technical support agent, call back within 24 hours and the agent who helped (using that term loosely) you before will lose points on their monthly write up.

Lastly, a little story about the place you called. Back about 2 years ago, the company you called were simple Customer service reps who worked for another Verizon BAD idea called Verizon Select Services. They didn’t have to deal with computers at all, just account type things (balances, payments, that shit). This company failed and since verizon is bound in a long term company with the people you are actually talking to(a third party company called Teletech), they have to put them somewhere, so they made all of these people Verizon DSL technical support agents. So what this all means to you is, the person you call probably doesn’t know shit about computers.

I really, truely, do feel sorry for Verizon customers. If your service works perfectly from beginning to end, it isn’t all that bad but if you have any trouble what so ever, you’re up shit creek.

I’ve been there. This is exactly the kind of crap I went through with my DSL. Except it got much worse before I finally got it working, I’m afraid. Since I’ve switched to cable, though, it’s been dreamy.

Um, assuming that you have an external DSL modem (which is a safe assumption, since you had to buy a eithernet card), there is nothing on that CD that you have to install. It’s likely a verizon-skinned version of IE and shit like that. Smash it, it will make you feel better.

-lv

Maybe, maybe not.

When I had DSL, I had to use WinPoet for PPPoE (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet). WinXP has drivers for connecting to a PPPoE session built in as do some DSL/Cable routers, but if Euty is on 9x and Verizon uses PPPoE, he’s going to be proper fucked if he tosses the CD.

Oh, and get used to that exquisite level of help from Verizon. I tried for 3 weeks to get them to install DSL in my house and when they finally deigned to make the effort, they found I was too far from the telco. So I told them to fuck off and got Earthlink… which was faster… for less. They still call up about once every 3 months with an offer trying to convince me that they can actually get service to me this time. It’s good for a laugh now and then.

Good luck.

It depends. Check with someone else not affiliated with Verizon and not charged issuing platitudes to callers until they hang up. You may need to set up DHCP and that’s all, or you may need a specialized TCP/IP stack a la satellite connection.

Oh, and while the closest we get to Verizon in Edmonton is Telus, I agree that all monopolistic-broadband-providers- who-were-supposed-to-allow- third-party-access-but-somehow- still-don’t-plus-suck-at- broadband-anyways can go to hell. One way. Full fare!

To qualify my statement: I have Verizon DSL. There was nothing useful on my CD. It is, however, theoretically possible that Verizon Pitsburg is slightly different than Verizon Southern California. I still say smash it :slight_smile:

Is there anything else I can help you with?

-lv

I have Verizon DSL too. I do have to say… for DSL, it’s pretty slow. You do need to use that disk if you have 9x because you won’t have the winPoet and the other programs you need.

Keep trying the tech support… eventually, you’ll find someone to help you get installed.

The support I get is from Ontario. I have found some that know the difference between a PC and a MAC but not many. :slight_smile:

I had one “genuis” tell me that the problem I had with mail coming from the Yahoogroups.com domain was because I didn’t have my email program set to receive their email… regardless of the fact that I had been getting email from them for almost a year before I called. He wanted me to change my SMTP to Yahoogroup’s server information which I’d have to get from them. Roughly translated means “I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about and I want you to call them and get off my phone.”
I had to explain what a listserve was. Rule #1 if they act like they don’t understand the problem, hang up and call back.

mayberrydan hits the nail on the head. I worked in a Network Operations Center for SBC, and know full well that many technicians really know very little about the systems that they are responsible for. Most people work off ‘cheat sheets’ that have been passed around in lieu of training. Thus, the canned answer. Sad thing is, it will probably only get worse as communication systems become more and more specialized and complex.

I can totally empathize with the OP. Even by the low standards set by tech support in general, Verizon is awful.

I had the misfortune to have DSL “service” with Verizon a couple of years ago. It more or less worked until I moved (though at a much slower bandwidth than advertised, and with near-daily outages). When I moved house, they told me DSL service wasn’t available in the new area, so they’d cancel my account for me. 6 months later, and innumerable calls with Verizon staff, including someone in their “executive offices” (who was actually very helpful), I was still getting billed every month for DSL service I’d never had at the new address, and which by their own recognition wasn’t physically available there. I even tried putting a note written in huge red marker in with my bill payment, saying something like “PLEASE STOP BILLING ME FOR A SERVICE I’VE NEVER HAD AND WHICH IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ME. CONTACT [person’s name] AT YOUR OWN CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS TO VERIFY!” - of course whatever automaton opened my payment envelope filed that one in the cylindrical filing cabinet. At one point the contact promised me all would be fixed next month (after 7 months of hell, spending at least 2 hours per month on the phone with them). With eager anticipation I opened my bill - to find I was now being billed for two DSL connections to my house. It took the intervention of the Better Business Bureau ( www.bbb.org - highly recommended ) to get them to set things straight.

For catharsis, here’s a rather entertaining old article about some people who tried to register the domain verizonsucks.com.

I’ve had DSL on both my XP and 98 setup, and I’ve never needed any ISP supplied software for either. I’ve reformatted literally, dozens of times and both times and I’ve had full internet connectivity with no problems.

Verizon and DSL: May God help you, because Verizon will not. After waiting three months past the Verizon promised DSL installation date, I ordered RoadRunner from Time-Warner and had it one day later. The excuses that I received from Verizon ranged from bizarre to delusional.

Verizon did send me, on successive days, THREE DSL modems that are now gathering dust in my garage. Verizon would not take them back because “we don’t have a procedure in place for the return of excess modems.”

Thank God for RoadRunner.

Hey, Euty, you have my utmost sympathy. Dealing with this sort of thing can be mind-blowingly frustrating.

I must say, however, that i’ve been extremely pleased with my Verizon DSL. I was worried about getting it, and started a thread here last May sometime asking others about their experiences. Some people said the service was excellent, and other trashed the shit out of it. There really seems to be no way of telling what your experience will be until you bite the bullet and give it a go.

My installation etc. all went off without a hitch. I installed the CD Winpoet software, and got up and running without a problem. Then i began to notice that every five minutes or so, while surfing the web, i would get about 40-60 seconds of downtime, where there was no information at all coming through the modem. It was obviously a problem with the modem or computer, and not with the web or the websites, so i called Verizon.

It turned out that the problem was that my ethernet settings were set to automatically obtain an IP address; the Verizon person gave me a specific IP address to use, and the system then worked perfectly.

Then, when my computer crashed and i had to have it fixed and reinstall all my software etc., i had to call Verizon again and get them to go through my setting with me, as i am a bit of a computer dunce and had forgotten what we had done last time. Again, all ended up fine.

Each time i called Verizon i got an extremely friendly and helpful person who went though everything very thoroughly and checked everything that i had done. During the times when i had to restart my computer, i chatted with them and found out that i was talking to Canadians, and that most of the tech support people are located up in Ontario.

Anyway, i’m sure that hearing all this doesn’t make life any easier for you, but it might help to know that next time you need to call them, you might be as lucky as i was. It seems that in your case one of the key problems was that they weren’t up front with you about when your hookup would be ready, where your computer needed to be, etc., etc. Unfortunately, there are heaps of companies who work that way - get the sale at all costs, even if you have to stretch the truth. Good luck!

Euty, you crack me up, man. I feel your pain, truly. :slight_smile:

Gotta go with LordVor here. I have Verizon DSL for the NoVa area and it works great, we even bought a router and split the one line between our computers, so we only had to pay for one connection - but we only go half as fast if we are both on at once, which is fine.

But I never installed that CD that came with it. Just plugged the cable into my ethernet and the jack and I was rocking and rolling. Good times, very happy with Verizon DSL. And I don’t have to deal with the Great Satan Comcast’s cable modem.

Okay, so … can anyone point me to a website or give me step by step on how to get connected without loading their software? I’d rather not install anything on my already overladen machine if I don’t really have to.

That pretty much sums up the horror of dealing with Verizon DSL.

My horror story in a nutshell:

  1. Wake up one morning and have no internet
  2. Call them up, spend a huge amount of time on the phone trying to figure out what went wrong, transferred to all kinds of departments
  3. Finally a rep tells me someone “pulled my switches” aka disconnected me for no apparent reason, and no, they cant reconnect me immediately, it will take at least a week
  4. Flames shoot out of my eyes

So, I now have a cable internet connection.