Hmmm. There was an awful lot going on in this episode. I’m going to have to watch it again to digest all of the doings. We didn’t seem to get closer to solving the bus crash; in fact, more crimes have been tossed into the blender–with more apparently to come.
Things seem to be unraveling for Woody–he’s beginning to look like the major villain in this situation.
Veronica really would be better off just letting Logan go his way; it’s not going to go well for them no matter what.
And…well, like I said, a lot to digest.
I’m interest to hear what the other diehards on this board think about last night.
Looks like Meg Manning’s psycho parents are back in the spotlight – Lucky was bailed out by Mr. Manning. Was Lucky working for Manning when he was filming Gia and other members of the Woodman family? Obviously he wasn’t just some random stalker, or Woody wouldn’t have pretended that the film was made by the gardener and tried to cover it up. But what the Mannings could have to do with all this, I have no idea.
For a few minutes I toyed with the idea that Manning blew up the bus in order to kill Meg to keep her from exposing him as a pedophile. But even if I believed that he’d murder his own daughter (along with a bunch of innocent bystanders), it still doesn’t make sense. If she was the target, I doubt she would have remained alive all those months in a coma after the crash. (Unless they were waiting till she had the baby, then killed her off afterwards? But why?)
I persist in my belief that, while Woody is a bad guy, he’s not the bad guy. I think we were conditioned by Harry Hamlin in Season One to expect the former b-list movie star to be the killer; Steve Gutenberg’s presence on the show at all is a huge red herring. He’s up to something, or he knows something, but he’s not behind the bus crash.
Lucky’s connection to the Mannings was mentioned two weeks ago, when Veronica talked to Dream Meg. He was a friend of their’s from their church or something and they kinda tried to fix Meg up with him. Which doesn’t rule out the possibility of there being something more sinister, but is at least one reason why Mr. Manning would bail him out.
So, Veronica’s got an STD. :eek: Well, I didn’t see that coming. She’s only slept with Duncan (unless something we still don’t know about happened at that party her sophomore year, but I assume she gets a yearly checkup, so that rules her getting the STD back then out). And Duncan got it from Meg? Unless he actually did sleep with Kendall (and I don’t think he did, but it was always at least slightly ambigious), it’s a little late in the game to introduce someone else he had sex with. So, if he got it from Meg, then she got it from… her father? Lucky? Heh. Either way, icky.
I’m not sure what the deal was with Woody in this episode. He calls Keith over to the Camelot, says the woman is a campaign worker that’s passed out, and Keith takes her to the hospital and what not. But then when the second newspaper article comes out, the one that shifts the blame back onto Woody, it says in the headline that the woman was an escort paid for with campaign funds. Huh? Where did that info come from? Keith denies Woody’s story to the reporter, but we don’t get any hint of that info otherwise, and the woman has mysteriouly disappeared without even being treated at the hospital. But if she was as bad off as she looked, I don’t see how she could just get up and drive away. So was it all some kind of setup, and if so, why?
And I continue to have no clue on who caused the bus crash.
Is it just me, or does this show have a rather strong “teen sex = BAD” vibe going? Lilly gets killed, Meg gets pregnant and dies, Veronica gets VD. It makes me fear for Wallace now that he and Jackie have done it. Speaking of Jackie, is anyone else pleasantly surprised that the actress has gotten so much better over the course of the season? In the first couple of episodes she was pretty much unwatchable.
So the incorporation was defeated and the lead story above the fold in the local paper is that Cooke threw a ball game? Interesting editorial decision…
I missed something. The sketch that Veronica had, that Logan identified as looking like his dad’s cellmate, why is Keith looking for him and to whom was VM sending all those copies? Something about Cliff’s briefcase?
Yeah, Cliff’s briefcase was stolen several episodes back, but I’m blanking on which episode it was exactly. It was done by a hooker, and when Cliff and Keith confronted her, she said some guy paid her to get it. The briefcase contained, among other things, a key to the “Echolls’ family storage locker” and the case notes for Logan’s trial. Anyway, this was apparently a sketch of the guy who paid the hooker, and Keith asked Veronica to send the picture to all of their business contacts in hopes that someone would recognize it.
I have never experienced a show that I follow less and love more.
I am hopelessly lost, and I don’t care!
I loved the skill of both the writers and the actors at the “we’re never going to see each other again” speeches. I mean, basically Dick and Logan gave the same “sleep with me” rationalizations to their choices of women, but they came off so differently. Dick was obviously such a cad, but I really, really wanted to believe Logan! He seemed so sincere!
I knew some woman was going to be in Logan’s apartment when Veronica went there, but it didn’t stop that whole scene from being gut-wrenchingly horrible to watch. In a good way. The look on her face as she was trying to be brave waiting for the elevator doors to close…oooh! [Jon Stewart fist] Damn you, Logan Echolls! [/JSF]
Yeah, I’d say it’s a bad vibe, considering the preview for next week implied that Jackie will soon be cannon fodder (or at least a target for Lucky’s gun).
If we use last season as a template, the culprit is going to be someone who’s played a minor but not insignificant role in the 2nd season, and someone who hasn’t already been implicated. That leaves out the obvious suspects – Kendall, the Fitzpatricks, Woody, Terrence Cook, the PCHers, Lucky, Curly, Aaron Echolls, and now (probably) the Mannings.
That leaves:
Dick and/or Beaver Casablancas
Jackie Cook
Gia Goodman
Duncan Kane
Logan Echolls
Weevil Navarro
Sheriff Lamb
Hmm… Interesting how all (except Lamb) are teenagers. The writers seem to be steering us toward the adult suspects, which tells me that the big “surprise” is that a teenager is behind the bus crash. Gia and Jackie are at the top of my list, since they both have high-profile parents who are involved in major scandals.
Whoever the culprit, it’s obvious they had help – the huge number of unsolved mysteries surrounding the bus crash suggests a conspiracy. I think the writers are above tossing around so many red herrings just to confuse us. A good number of them must tie into the main mystery arc, or this season’s going to turn into a big cop-out.
Color me confused. Until this episode, I had always assumed that she had had sex with Logan as well. But then she didn’t ask Logan, her other former sex partner, if he had clamydia. Either she didn’t have sex with Logan, or she assumed that she could only have gotten it from her most recent partner, Duncan.
Oh, and is Mr. Manning a pedophile? I thought we saw that he was an abusive parent, but not that he was having sex with any of his children.
I 'spect that we’ll find out that Mr. Manning has chlamydia, gave it to Meg, who gave it to Duncan, who gave it to Veronica. It’s really the only reason to bring it up, isn’t it?
Not disagreeing at all, furnishesq; but I’m interested in your thoughts about her motive. Did she do it to keep her dad’s girlfriend from squealing about the thrown ball game? Or for some other reason?
I’m pretty sure she never have sex with Logan. There were never any sex scenes between them, and in the second episode of this season, it was implied (when she slept with Duncan) that it was her first (conscious) time.
Yeah, we’ve only seen that he’s mentally abusive so far. But, if V got it from Duncan and Duncan got it from Meg… well, she had to get it from somewhere, and as creepy as Mr. Manning has been, it wouldn’t suprise me. But maybe there’s some completely different chain.
Maybe one night last year everyone in the cast, including incidental minor characters, had a gang hump, spreading their germs around, then they all went out together and crashed the bus as a team, each on doing his or her tiny little part to create the disaster. Everyone’s guilty!
Seriously, this is my working theory at this point…
It could be Mr. Manning, it could be Lucky, or maybe even Woody(!). I’m starting to think Duncan’s baby isn’t really Duncan’s baby.
Is Veronica’s VD the key to unravelling this season’s mystery? Could she have contracted it from someone other than Duncan? Perhaps she really was raped at that party after she was drugged.
Hey, I just thought of something – remember when Beaver suddenly freaked out and dumped Mac when she pressured him about having sex? Could Beaver have chlamydia too?
Really, with so many mysteries on top of mysteries this season, I’m worried that the season finale will be a 42-minute scene of Veronica standing in front of a giant flowchart and carefully explaining the solution to all the viewers.
Smart women are sexy. KB comes across as not only playing the smart VM, but actually being smart herself.
I’m also more and more impressed with Jason Dohring’s acting chops. I expect great things from him in the future. He can play the part of insecure, shy dork and cocky brat jerk with just the slightest variation in posture. He’s truly a three dimensional character, more so than Veronica herself, I think. I don’t epect him to be an a-list hero type, but rather, have a career similar to James Woods or Chris Walken.
I have a crush on Tina Majorino. She’s just so cute!
Dohring definitley has talent. He’s walking a thin line between likeable, wisecracking screwup and spoiled, know-it-all asshole – I don’t think every actor could pull it off. He reminds me of a younger, slightly hunkier Ed Norton.
