I can’t believe no one started this yet
Jackie is a royal beeyotch, is she not?
And what’s with the message from Lilly?
was the explosion a gunshot?
I think Keith is being way too nice to Lamb
Lamb will get it, though I think the show will be better off if Keith doesn’t win the election. Jackie’s gonna get it too, hopefully soon as I’m developing an aversion to her, stronger than what I felt for the much hated Kennedy in BtVS S.7. I think the “psychic” got the info on Lilly from Jackie too. She must’ve gotten the story from Wallace or just about anyone else at school.
I got the impression it was gunshots - shooting the tires?
I’m a bit annoyed at Veronica’s relationship with Duncan. It’s too normal and lovey-dovey. Maybe becaueDuncan is such a boring character.
And why are Dick and Beaver listed in the main credits, when we barely see them, while Alicia is a guest star?
Really liked this episode. It was probably my favorite so far this season after “Cheaty Cheaty Bang Bang”.
Apparently (at least based upon the initial reports) it was the highest rated VM ever, and is kicking Related on the WB’s ass, so while ratings aren’t great or anything, the show is doing OK, which is good.
I didn’t see Jackie’s set-up coming. I did notice she went from being a bitch to Veronica to being nice really quick, but I figured it was just a case of Jackie turning on the charm when she needed something. So the “prank” was a real sucker punch.
I’m assuming that the whole message from Lilly was either supplied by Jackie (and then she lied about that when she realized she had crossed a line) or dug up by the psychic on her own. Between Aaron’s arrest and Felix’s murder, Veronica and possibly her relationship with Logan was news in Neptune over the summer.
So, what’s gonna happen with Wallace leaving town with his dad? I don’t think that can end well.
probably was higher rated because Lost was a repeat. (I know thats the reason I watched VM instead of recording it).
I can see interesting storylines no matter who wins for Sheriff.
Brian
It is now clear that Lamb is a criminal, and by the rules of television, he’ll go down. Doesn’t mean Keith will become sheriff, though, although I see that his being a PI has had minimal impact on this season.
I don’t know what they’re going to do about the bus crash. It doesn’t take a genius to find evidence of an explosion, gun shot, shot out tires, etc. The Houston Police Department probably couldn’t figure it out, but anybody else… So I wonder how they’ll make the whole thing credible in the end.
Wallace will find out Dad is scum. I don’t see why this story arc should be interesting, unless Mom’s past is really juicy. Boring in Star Wars, boring in VM.
This sounds pretty negative, which surprises me, because I thought last night’s episode was really strong. I must be a glass-half-empty kind of guy.
If we hadn’t seen the ghost that saved Veronica from getting on the bus, I’d say psychic’s message from Lily was almost certainly a product of Veronica’s notoriety from her connection to the murder case. In the season premiere, Keith was being interviewed on national television about the case, and it was known that Keith had saved his daughter from Aaron Echolls, etc. Imagine if Bruce Willis had an affair with Bill Gates’ teenaged daughter, then murdered her. We’d have a dozen threads about it on this board, and there would be 50 true crime books, 3 TV movies, and all the *National Enquirer * coverage you could stand. Do you remember the names of relatively minor players in the O.J. Simpson case, like Al Cowlings and Kato Kaelin? I do, and I didn’t even follow the case that closely. It was simply inescapable information.
But since Lily’s ghost doesn’t seem to be a guilt-induced projction like last season, I wonder where they’re going with that and if the psychic message was developing that further. As much as I enjoy supernatural themes, I think it’s all wrong for this show. It’s not Buffy and it doesn’t need to be.
I’m glad Veronica didn’t smack Jackie down just yet. She should save her information for a moment when it can do maximum damage. 
Plus, that evidence goes much further than just screwing up Jackie’s weekend. It would bring down both Jackie’s father and more dramatically, Sheriff Lamb.
Have to disagree with The Gaspode on Duncan. I enjoy his relationship with Veronica and I don’t think he’s boring. He seems like a good guy who’s going through an extremely difficult time in his life, and yet he can still be nice to and relax with his girlfriend. I like the fact that he’s written well enough that he’s not simply an accessory to Veronica. During the scene where they were watching TV, I commented to my husband that they seem like two people who have known each other for a long time and are comfortable with each other’s rhythms. Their relationship feels lived-in and based on genuine friendship and affection, not just sexual attraction.
I loved all the various storylines: the developments with Wallace’s family, the plotline about the psychic (and EVIL Jackie), and the developments with Lamb. Am especially adoring Lamb. I think he’s just so hot. I think it’s really interesting that Jackie and Logan seem to be teaming up in their mutual dislike of Veronica. I don’t have strong feelings about Duncan one way or another: he’s fine, but he’s not the guy she’s going to end up with.
The one thing I’m a little dissatisfied about is that the Casablancas clan has dropped out of sight. Veronica’s investigation of their dad has ripped a big hole in Dick and Cassidy’s lives, and I want to know what’s going on! Do they hate her? Do they blame her? Do they have any money left at all?
But I assume we’ll be getting back to them.
I agree that the Veronica-Dunan relationship is extremely well written and acted. One of the most plausible relationships on tv. I still find it kinda boring and not going anywhere. However, I assume that Rob Thomas has put it there as some type of time out from the chaos that is Veronica’s life, so I can get it from a dramaturgial point of view.
Logan is a much, much, much more interesting character, though, and that relationship sparkled.
sure it sparkled, but every week she found a different reason to distrust and not be with him
she would never last in a relationship with logan - she’d never relax enough around him
While that scene did seem a little too supernatural (which is the reason it’s about the only thing in the season premiere that I didn’t like), I don’t think we’re meant to interpret what Veronica sees as literally being Lilly’s ghost, but rather a vision Veronica has. Her intuition visually manfesting to herself or whatever. Which isn’t much better, but that’s my take on it.
As for the psychic, since she’s persented as clearly using “hot reading” tricks, and since she starts the bit about the mammomax (sp?) by saying “Lilly says you should be happy with your body” or words to that effect, which we know is false, since Jackie admits to planting that much, I figure the whole thing is false.
So, V’s original plan was to take Jackie out by taking out her dad? That seems cold. I’m glad she didn’t do it, though I’d like to see Jackie’s face eaten by Nimrod. (A little cross-genre wishful thinking.)
where’d you get that from?
The CD “mix” she didn’t take to the dance. It had Jackie’s dad’s conversation with the sheriff burned on it.
she was after Lamb with that, not Jackie’s dad - she wanted something to give Keith to fight back with after Lamb dug up that tidbit on Keith and the bus driver
I disagree. Right after the psychic reveal we see her burning the cd with the conversation, and when Duncan calls she asks him who’s DJing between sets at the dance. She writes “Homecoming Request” on the CD even. But then Wallace asks her to just let it drop, and when Keith asks her if she has accidently left the CD behind she says no. She was going to have it played during the dance to embarrass Jackie. And I agree that would have been way overkill, considering that it would have hurt Jackie’s dad more than anyone, and he’s never done anything to Veronica (… as far as we know, since I have the feeling there’s some connection between him and Woody and the bus crash).
Having said that, while it would really suck for Jackie’s dad if that info came out, I wouldn’t have a problem with Veronica exposing him if it was done for a different reason, like to expose Lamb’s corruption. Or even simply out of a journalistic impluse, since she’s on her school newspaper and all and revealed misdeeds before (like the AFT agent who framed a student last year). But to do it just to get back at Jackie seems wrong.
I do agree that she put the bug into Lamb’s office so that she could get something that’d help Keith, but we never see any indication that she does or is going to give that particular peice of info to Keith.
I completely disagree
Lamb is the one suggesting the purchase of 1000 ticjets at $10 each - J’s Dad was only going to buy too
Lamb is definitely corrupt - beside how was Veronica to know J’s dad was gong to see Lamb
and while playing it at the dance would have certainly embarrased and pissed off Jackie - it would also have exposed to everyone there (and remember - seniors in this show are alread 18, and therefore eligible to vote) what a crook Lamb is - and perhaps they would then vote for his opposition
[size=1]grrrmumnlemumblemumble[size] damn typing gerbils :smack:
ok - watching the rerun, yeah, her intent may have been to embarrass Jackie at the dance with Terrance’s gambling debt, but her original goal with the bug was to get evidence on Lamb
And maybe yeah she decided not to take the CD with her was because of Wallace’s plea, but more I think it was because of Keith not wanting to stoop to Lamb’s level.
And why the heck was Wallace so quick to assume his mom lied about offering the cop a choice - just because she lied about the rest of it doesn’t mean it’s all a lie…er…uh…well…
So, how many weeks of reruns do we have to sit thru til we find the answers
I missed the last 15 minutes of the season premiere, which is I assume when VM met Terrance? So I don’t know his story. He’s a baseball player? Current or former? What brought him to Neptune?
I wonder if the Marses are going to have a little conversation about The Beetle. And will it be because Keith approaches her or will she check it, hear Keith’s voice as the last one picked up and she fesses up?
The set-up for Jackie’s prank pissed me off. She hatched it with the psychic and everything associated with it was phony. So, what, Jackie bought tens of thousands of dollars of merchandise and maxed out her card so that it would decline at the psychic’s? All in the hopes that VM will reveal something that Jackie can use against her. I hope she saved her receipts. I wonder if Cora was in on it or if Jackie was using her only friend without her knowledge. And I wonder if VM and Cora will still hang out or if VM will drop her now that the investigation is over. But I guess the pills by Jackie’s picture in the opening credits are significant after all.
Wallace and his dad. Yeah, don’t care.
Some advancement on the bus crash plot (and I so want for angel bus t-shirts to show up for at least the rest of the season) which I guess is going to be the main mystery for the season? But what about the dead PCHer? I realize that Lamb thinks Logan did it but still you’d think there’d be some mention of it every once in a while. And where the hell is Weevil?