Word.
I gotta say the same thing that I said for the Obama/Romney debate, though. No fair whining about smirks or eye rolls or interruptions. Biden laughed, sure. He found the ideas laughable. We can’t on the one hand accept that these debates have room for posturing and dominating the stage, and then on the other hand, demand that everyone stick to the protocol and etiquette of Miss. Manners.
If Romney can have that face-punchy smirk on his face, then Biden can laugh like a loon.
Yeah, people can see things differently. Like the boxing referee at the London Olympics who, somehow, didn’t see a guy get knocked to the canvas six times, so he awarded the victory to the other guy.
Honest difference of opinion, I’m sure.
Let’s see what FactCheck.org says about Biden’s missteps:
The amount of money that is the difference is a rounding issue as far as I am concerned, and it’s pretty minor. It’s a little more substantive that some of the cuts were not only security but that doesn’t change the substance of Biden’s point: It is hypocritical of Ryan to criticize embassy security when it was so low on his priority list that he slashed the budget for it. Just because Ryan was also cutting other things pertaining to the embassy doesn’t change that fact.
Many people though that Assad might have been a positive step, including Israel. They were all proven wrong, of course, but that is with the benefit of hindsight.
I like how FactCheck.org says “Biden seemed to question” so I looked it up. According to the transcript, this is the full substance of what Biden said:
So anything that Biden asserted was cut off by the moderator and was not expounded upon. It is very possible he might have said “We didn’t call Assad a reformer… when we saw what he wound up becoming” or something along those lines. Either way, to say that a point Biden never got to make is a point worth fact checking is ridiculous to me.
So what? He said that and the fact he said it doesn’t mean that Romney was cool with Al Qaeda. It meant that Romney did not understand how important it was to get the guy behind 9/11 to many Americans. This is not a quote out of context. It shows that Romney at one point didn’t think catching or killing bin Laden was a priority to him. If he doesn’t stand by that, that’s his problem.
I will let some Romney supporter deal with the six items that Ryan got wrong according to the website. As for the three supposed Biden lies, one was a matter of how you round the numbers which didn’t change Biden’s point in the slightest, one was against an assertion that Biden didn’t even make and the last was not even a lie at all.
But, you know… Both sides are bad, so vote Republican. :rolleyes:
I feel like if you come out of a debate thinking that your candidate was unfairly treated because the other guy interrupted/smirked/laughed/etc too much, your guy probably did not do a very good job in the debate. It’s sort of a sour grapes “My guy would be doing so much better if the other dude would just shut up and let him finish!” thing. Well, if he had the charisma or the stage presence or the debate skills or whatever quality he’s lacking, he’d be the one talking over the other guy and scoring major points. That’s how these things go.
Exactly. I’m a little disappointed at so many people defending Biden for his laughing after bitching about Romney’s “Alpha Male monkey posturing” last week. *Both *deserve a slap on the wrist and disapproval for rude behavior. Only difference is one you support and one you don’t.
I liked what Biden had to say, even while I was cringing at his behavior, while I despised both Romney’s words *and *his behavior. But they both behaved badly.
Should the moderator have also told Ryan to stop with the lies since dishonesty is unbecoming of a mature adult?
I didn’t give a shit about Romney’s posturing or Biden’s laughing. Still don’t.
How could the United States Congress possibly pass a law to deny medical care to anyone, for anything?
Whatever you’re thinking of couldn’t possibly have been a “bill to deny medical care to rape victims.” Deny federal funding of abortions, maybe?
Federal funding of abortions is already illegal, so no, I don’t think he meant that and I don’t think you think he did.
Do you not pay attention to what your boy did, Bricker?
As I am sure you know, the Hyde Amendment already bans federal funds to pay for an abortion. This bill was an attempt to redefine rape from what is already in that piece of legislation.
Not “Breaking” – “Broken”:
Nice try.
In some circles, not being able to pay for it is the same as not being able to get it.
Why do you hate Orcish-Americans?
Then present the facts and let the voters decide.
The constant interruptions are probably why Biden did not wipe the floor in the polls. Like it or not, that’s what matters.
Can we please, please have at least one presidential debate in this exact same format?
If facts counted for shit, then Romney wouldn’t have gotten a bounce after round 1. Voters don’t care about facts- what they want is someone who appears to believe what they say. Sincerity is critical- if you can fake that, you’ve got it made. If you can repeat a bald lie with a straight face and interrupt the other guy when he calls you out on it, you win the debating point. The voters aren’t grading on accuracy, they grade on confidence. Interrupting is part of that confidence.
I have no problem with Biden’s demeanor. I heard Ryan talk about bipartisanship, and since Biden didn’t mention McConnell’s stated goal for Republicans, then laughter is an appropriate Plan B.
Agree. Not going to stop the Romney momentum. The tide is still turning, against Obama.
Are there any numbers on ratings compared to the first debate?
Romney’s momentum has already slowed, and had been slowing since its peak immediately following the presidential debate. To suggest otherwise would be kidding yourself.
You can argue that vice presidential debates don’t matter, and you you’d have historical evidence to support that claim. But by all accounts, Biden did exactly what he was supposed to do: energize the Democratic base and make a case for himself with undecided voters. He did both of those.