That’s not the question I was asking. Yes, Feige will have a completely fresh start with X-Men. Also a mostly fresh start with MCU.
This is the statement I was questioning. With FoX-Men Quicksilver showing up in the MCU, it looks like cross-overs are very much the plan. I don’t like it.
I’m okay with the Fox franchise getting acknowledged as existing somewhere in the multiverse, presumably alongside all the other different takes on the property. I’d be disappointed if the Fox X-Men become the “main” version of the X-Men in the MCU, but that seems unlikely, given that most of the actors from that franchise seem done with it. I definitely want X-Men in the main Marvel continuity one way or the other, though - I’d be genuinely pissed if they finally got control of the characters back and then squandered the opportunity like that.
I too will be fine with FoX-Men being a multiverse that gets acknowledged. I think this is a pretty elegant way to handle it.
One of the worst things about comic book movies thus far has been character bloat. It’s kind of miraculous that the Avengers worked as well as it did. I think back to the old Tim Burton era Batman movies, they got progressively worse once every movie was a team-up between 3 or 4 villains facing Batman, Batgirl, Robin and Catwoman. It’s like the story gets buried under the need to find screentime for a half dozen big name actors. The OG Spider-Man was victim to the same stuff.
I thought the FoX-Men movies held their own primarily because they were all mostly about Charles, Magneto, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine and Mystique. Sure other characters filled in the scenery but all the movies were about the same characters and you weren’t constantly trying to prop up extra main character development.
I think the problem with those older superhero franchises was that they would try to introduce all those new characters in the same movie, which didn’t give any of them time to breath. Marvel’s gotten around that problem by leaning into the shared universe concept. We can stuff Thor into Guardians of the Galaxy, or Dr. Strange into Spider-Man, and it works because all these characters have already had their own movie to establish themselves.
Very true. And Feige and company have shown they know how to do it. But the union of X-Men and greater Marvel diaspora seems like it’s busting at the seams.
I probably have a slanted view here because, as someone who started on comic book characters with the movies, I see all the different Marvel “supers” as inhabiting a common world. The X-Men inhabited a different one. While intellectually I get that Spider-Man and the Fantastic 4 are their own comics with a (initially) confined world no different than X-Men, they feel different after 20 years of movies. Spider-Man crossing over to Avengers felt natural, they felt like they were different flavors of the same thing so it didn’t bump me too much. X-Men feels like a different food, ice cream and mashed potatoes.
Supposedly there’s an internet shattering end to WV…I’m going for broke here and predicting it will be Tom Cruise as Nightmare.
The statement is implying it’s not a “crossover” like Spiderman showing up is not a crossover.
So what you’re saying is that that’s a bizarro world not a cross-over?
And the television shows will add to that breathing room, for big bads too.
How does this strike you?
The less I think about the Fantastic 4 the better.
The only way the FF works for me is if its based in the 60s.
“You’re not the boss of me now,
You’re not the boss of me now,
You’re not the boss of me now, and you’re not so big.
Life is unfair…”
…utter brilliance. Again.
Blew all my theories out of the water. But I’m learning to live with that 
Yes, that was great. It was fun seeing the soldiers becoming clowns. Really excited to see where this is leading to. Anyone feel we are patted on the back by the writers fpr noticing the lack of children in the village before?
I liked Halloween as the reason Wanda, Vision, and Pietro were all in their comic book garb. Elizabeth Olsen really rocked the Scarlet Witch costume.
Well as noted early in the first thread, the writers knew the combined nerdmind of the internet would be fix’n to figure out where this is going and do a Westworld on it; some things had to be placed to mislead them. When a gun is on the wall in the first act, sometimes it’s there to distract you from the other clues laying around! - Chekov 2.0
And some theories confirmed!
I think that what you say is valid for the movies. They really need to be kinda direct and to the point, without too much ambiguity in characters. The movies need to be relatively straightforward.
But I do think that as a series, more complex stories can be told. Even WandaVision, with its 9 half hour blocks, is still significantly longer than the movies. Having a break in between the blocks to digest, reflect, and discuss what has happened also allows for more complex storytelling.
Looking at the lineup, it seems as though there will be a new show out about some Marvel character or other most every week for the foreseeable future. That kind of serialization can end up telling the same sorts of stories as the comic books ended up telling.
Disney has a massive amount of IP to pick and choose from these days, and I don’t expect them (and hope they don’t) to just straight up adapt stories from the comics, but I do expect them to draw from them for story ideas.
I thought the movies were horrible. I don’t have a problem with the characters. It may be the case that a FF4 live action treatment will always suck, but I think that it may do better in different hands.
Loved the new episode! Continuing to be just incredibly original and creative, and I can’t wait to see what happens next. The mystery of the new Pietro deepens. He appears to know exactly what’s going on. IMO this reduces the likelihood that he’s the “X-Men” Pietro, but who knows?