Most of the people in there seem to know what is going on, I don’t think her real brother would be so…callous. He made it clear several times he was just playing a role.
Someone at Disney wasn’t paying attention and accidently let some plot details slip out.
And well the fact we saw him as a shot up body … but what up with him having corpse Vision eyes? Not rando West View guy though!
Hayward a Bad more clearly but equally clearly not a major villain, more someone who inadvertently causes the big bad events.
Yes but who actually cast him for the part? If not Wanda maybe someone else who wants the answers to those questions too?
At this point I don’t think Agnes is the baddy or in league with them, she’s just another victim.
She was a shiny coin to distract the internet nerdmind from what the other hand was doing. But what has the other hand been doing? Something else likely hidden in plain sight.
And Monica? The guess thatthis is how she powers up seems much more likely! I missed the shared grief part before she made it explicit.
Project Cataract. Something that can destroy your Vision?
SWORD was definitely experimenting on Vision’s corpse, which would explain why they are so keen in taking out Wanda and haven’t called in any other Avengers.
And the cloudy eyes may be a reference! I don’t know why I went to the large waterfalls meaning in my head!
I think the eyes on zombie Vision and Pietro are just supposed to be what eyes look like on a corpse after a couple days, and not more significant than that. I also don’t think that Pietro “really” looks like a zombie - I think that shot (and the similar Vision corpse flash) are Wanda starting to lose her grip. Pietro’s been dead for more than five years, and he’s not a adamantium synthezoid: he’d be a skeleton by now if that were his real corpse. Plus, of course, he still had the wrong face.
I still think “rando Westview guy” is the best answer. Although, the comics-accurate Halloween costumes could be another hint that there’s an alternate reality at play - but if so, it’s definitely not the Fox universe, because none of those costumes showed up there, either.
The Pietro thing is really weird and appears not nearly so straightforward as “the twins summoned a live Pietro from an alternate universe because this universe’s Pietro is dead”. But I don’t know what it could be. I’ll be quite disappointed if it’s a meta-casting choice winking at the audience – that he looks just like the Fox QS should mean something, IMO.
Here’s a possibility: The ultimate villain behind this is someone who is aware of, and able to access, alternate realities. Someone like Nightmare, or Mephisto. He’s fucking with the MCU Wanda for whatever reason, but he’s not actually 100% clear on which reality she’s originally from - so when he needed to introduce a Quicksilver to the scenario, he recreated the wrong one.
Also, just throwing this out there, but we know that there’s a trickster deity out there, with access to a cosmic artifact, whose current plot situation is inherently tied up in Marvel’s incipient multiversal expansion, and who’s getting his own Disney+ series in a few months. Only problem is, I don’t think Loki ever met Wanda, so why would he go after her for this scenario?
I like your first one. Neat idea!
In that regard, they’re (using they since who knows, could be a female big bad or gender NA) fucking with her … because she had managed to create this version of West View somehow, and they became aware of that. But they do not know how she did it either and are trying to find out if she is a threat to them, or something they can use. Hence, having the recast Pietro asking her how she did it. They really want to know.
I’ve seen corpses after a few days. Don’t recall eyes looking like that. Could just be for the creep effect, but I think minimally it is intentional to look like cataracts, if just to get the internet nerdmind buzzing with it as a distracting red herring.
They are not supposed to look like real corpses, they look like dead Vision.
Zombies having milky white eyes is an existing trope, so I assumed they were just borrowing that aesthetic. Could definitely be more to it, though.
So, it looks like passing through the Hex barrier is going to end up giving Monica her superpowers. But, the scene where Wanda expanded the Hex to save Vision implies that that’s how she created the Westview pocket in the first place, which means everyone in town passed through the barrier once already, and will presumably do so again when the crisis is resolved and the town restored to normal. So… does everyone in Westview get powers?
They’ve got a couple outs if they want to avoid that: Monica doesn’t have powers yet, so maybe only two crossings isn’t enough to do it. Or possibly it’s because when Monica passed through the second time, she was covered in Wanda’s hex fire, which interacted with the field in some way. This would have some similarities to her comic origin.
The other option is, this is how they introduce mutants - they’re literally people mutated by exposure to Wanda’s reality warping powers. The problem there is, it means all mutants come from the same small town in New Jersey, which limits what they can do with the concept quite a bit. Unless…
During the climax of the series, Wanda pushes the Hex global, pulling everything into the Westview pocket. She’s defeated, or talked down, or whatever, and the Hex field collapses, turning everything back to normal - except now everyone on Earth has been exposed to the Hex field, and some tiny % of them start developing superpowers. Maybe it turns out that the Hex field interacted with a particular gene only a few people carry…
The meta here would be great, because they’d be using the House of M story, which in the comics led to the decimation of the mutants, to introduce them into the MCU. Also, the trauma of a third global reality rewrite, after the Snap and the Blip, explains why mutants, in particular, get so much prejudice versus non-mutant supers.
Bonus points if we get a full episode that actually creates the House of M setting from the comics, before it all comes crashing down. “M” in this case being “Maximoff,” not “Magneto.” Or would it? Was Wanda asking Pietro about their parents more significant than her just testing to see if that’s really him?
Yes, I think Agnes either faked her bit to fool Vision, or she unexpectedly ended up a victim of her own plan* when she underestimated Wanda’s power. Note her witch costume indicates she definitely is Agatha Harkness, so she must have more to her role than just another resident of Westview.
*Or Mephisto’s plan, where she was also just his pawn?
A lot happened in that episode, so a bunch of disorganized thoughts.
Billy was wearing his Wiccan/Asgardian costume from Young Avengers (there’s a whole thing in the comics about how Tommy and Billy were never actually real but later became retroactively real as teen heroes…don’t ask.)
Wanda, Peter/Pietro, and Vision were of course all wearing versions of their “classic” comic book costumes.
Tommy says “Kickass!” when talking to Pietro2, and Wanda muses, “Kickass?” after they leave. Kick-Ass is a hero from a Marvel comic book that very definitively isn’t in the mainstream Marvel Universe (I don’t think it’s ever even crossed over in a multiverse crossover event). The actor who played Kick-Ass in the movie and sequel based on it also played Pietro in Age of Ultron. This one I think was pure Easter Egg.
Woo and Monica taking out the guards and stealing their outfits…I get that’s a trope, and it more or less fits with the tone of the MCU, but it still seemed kinda goofy. I almost thought it was a very subtle hint that the outside world was also being distorted by Wanda’s powers, but I think it was just lazy script-writing.
I’m really hoping that there’s a reveal about Director Guy, and we find out he’s not the bad guy he seems to be, because, again, his character at this point just seems like lazy screenwriting. Can we, just once, have a government bureaucrat in charge of a crisis who isn’t incompetent or sinister? (I still actually think he’s kind of right, though. Wanda is mind-raping thousands of people. She’s not a hero in crisis - she’s a villain. She’s no better than Purple Man from Jessica Jones).
Agnes is dressed as a witch. In the comics, Agatha Harkness is a literal witch - as in a descendent of the actual literal magic-wielding witches of Salem. Also, I’m not at all sure she’s a victim. As Vision proceeds outward from Wanda, the people become less animated. The woman hanging a decoration and the man with the pot behind her are just on an endless loop. Further out, no one in the cul-de-sac is moving or responsive at all. Yet even further out, Agnes, while dazed and confused, actually responds when Vision talks to her. I think she was pretending. Even if she wasn’t, she clearly retained more agency than anyone else. There’s Something going on with her.
Similarly, Herb once again seemed aware of the artifice. He seemed to break character momentarily, when he asked Wanda something along the lines of if she wanted to change anything.
I like this.
Not only that, Evan Peters played his best friend.
I was not aware of that…