http://geocities.com/countercoup/
Check it out.
Even though it is directed at those who feel that Florida’s election was screwed up and want it fixed, I imagine there will be those on the other side showing up as well.
I do believe I’m gonna go. Wow, I haven’t marched in protest since I was 6 years old andmy mom was dragging me on civil rights marches…
You may have just blown a gasket.
If you are supporting a civil war, I would reccomend that you remember which side in this fight supports the 2nd Amendment.
Do you really support mob rule?
Wow. Are you sure this is the best thing to do…mobs of people trying to overthrow the election? Bah. They can dress it up all they want, this is just mob rule. The president will be decided by the law, not the mob. Especialy since they advocate the idea that since Gore won the popular vote, he’s really the president no matter what happens in Florida.
If you think the electoral college is outdated, work to change it…NEXT election.
This could get very very ugly. What happens when the Bush people start marching and demanding that Gore step down? After all, Bush seems to have the law on his side.
How about we, say, COUNT THE VOTES, and let that determine who should be president, rather than rely on riots?
Oh yeah, I’ve seen that. Indymedia.org was flooded with newswires from that guy. Too bad my parents won’t let me go protest… 
Okay. Which ones?
What is that site’s argument exactly?
We should go by popular vote? Bush (for now) won the popular vote in Florida, and hence the electoral vote and the presidency.
We should ignore the electoral college? No can do. You can’t invalidate an election just because one party doesn’t like the results or the way the system is set up.
The Constitution doesn’t require a “winner take all” system? Which Constitition are they referring to. The U.S. doesn’t, but my guess is Florida’s does. Again, don’t like it, vote to change it.
Over 19,000 Gore ballots were thrown away [illegally]? When ballots are punched incorrectly, they are invalid. Scary thing is, most of the people who can’t fill out a punch card probably drove to the polling place.
Slobodan Milosevic?! This is pure propaganda. Why not compare Bush to Pol Pot or even Hitler? I find it ironic that the narrow election defeat is that of Gore, not Bush who this comparison is targeted at.
So what are they protesting exactly?
If I had to compare either Bush or Gore to Slobodan Milosevic, I don’t think Bush would be the closest match right about now.
It was just an analogy to the fact that the Serbians protested, and their voice was heard. No comparisons between Bush and Milosevic. I hope. Anyway, the site is pretty radical, if they posted to Indymedia promoting 56 protests around the country. But I doubt they’re that far out.
Mayor Quimby:
Go and read the site again.
It doesn’t compare Bush to Milosevic; it compares the USA to Serbia.
It also quite clearly explains that it is protesting the EC.
Thank you, 2sense, your handle is well-deserved.
“Mob rule”…sheesh. See my post about conservatives…
stoid
First of all, the name of it is countercoup.
Does that give you any hints of where this guy is coming from?
The following quotes are frm the website in question:
We do not decide this race by the popular vote. What is their point in opening with this?
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This is right next to this:
And there is a picture of a large crowd rioting. This seems cool to you?
Forcing him to give up? This sounds like they are setting the tone for the demonstrations to be along the lines of the Seattle protest and the Serbian protest.
Read it again. That makes at 5 times I’ve read it.
The tone, the pictures and the rhetoric used shows that, despite the disclaimer at the bottom, it is a call for a pro-Gore, anti-Bush demonstration.
Why?
They call for Bush to step down. They state that if Gore doesn’t become prez, it isn’t a democracy. They have a picture of someone holding up an anit-Bush sign. And, while not “clearly” stated, the use of Milosevic and that elections is meant to draw comparsons to Bush and this election, inferring Bush is in power even though he was “defeated” by the popular vote.
Classic propaganda. A call for justice while demonizing the opposition with inflated words and inferred comparisons.
Protest all you want. Protesting doesn’t change the Constitution.
Of course, the same Constitution that has put the EC in place allows for this kind of protest.
I thought that it was a site for bush, after all he got the popular vote. (if by popular meaing the only votes that really count)
This is the funniest line I have read all week. I love the SD tradition of spinning an entire thread by getting in a good first reply.
I smile every time I open this thread.
Freedom2:
The name “countercoup” indicates to me that the guy feels that the election overturned democracy.
I agree.
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That we should.
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This is a call for protest.
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Mayor Quimby:
Just because you are inferring it doesn’t mean they are implying it. The site is calling for an organized protest. Naturally it is not going to load its rhetoric against itself. So what? I notice you didn’t go to any great lengths to avoid the term “propaganda”.
Any demonstration against the EC is naturally going be anti-Bush because he is the one who has won in the electoral collage but not the popular vote. This does not mean that those demonstrations will be made up soley of Democrats. There are Republicans who feel that the EC should go.
Lastly, while I didn’t think it was funny the first time I read it, I must admit that I have chuckled at Scylla’s response since.
I think the EC is an outdated concept and I’m all for eradicating it. I never said otherwise. I’m all for a direct vote.
However, protesting it will do nothing in this case. There is enough focus on the glaring problems of the EC without groups of people with nothing better to do than try to relive the 60’s through demonstrations. And what upsets me most it’s because their candidate didn’t win. If the roles were reversed, then someone would come up an anti-Gore protest I’m sure, and I would say the same damn thing.
I pointed out the instances that they ARE implying it. If your interpretation doesn’t lead you to the same conclussion, you aren’t going to be convinced otherwise (not that I am trying to convince anyone of anything).
The OP asked if I wanna protest and had me check out the site. I think it is a fruitless undertaking, hence all the decrying.
Well, Mayor Quimby, I gotta say that I don’t think that organized protest merits the low esteem you seem to be according it.
But since we agree that the EC must go I see no reason to quibble about it.
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You have to begin with a democracy before you can overturn it. The presidential election as written in the contitution was never meant to be won by a national majority. Perhaps the electoral college is outdated but for now it is the law of the land.
Marc