You know what I hate?
I mean really gets to me?.. Are threads asking why was so & so poster banned. It’s usually so obvious. Or socks.
So imagine my consternation over asking:
Why was warmgun banned?
Though this is not just morbid curiosity, if it was the reply to TVeblen It would help me undstand the nature of this board a little better (and of course to keep my own butt outta hot water).
He/she warmgun :
Seemed civil enough,
Didn’t seem out of order,
Wasn’t being a jerk,
Wasn’t trolling…
So I’m thinking - banned for pissing off a mod? (not that there’s anything wrong with that - the banning part. [sub]Where do I send the chocolate?[/sub] )
I just thought that this could be one more piece of valuable data to stick in my back pocket as I make my way around these boards.
Looks like someone of a “higher” :rolleyes: authority disagrees with you .
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I didn’t read it that way. I thought she was just laundry listing the rules and assumed WG fell under # 2. Given that this is The pit and he/she was ‘called’ here to defend themselves, I didn’t feel they were being ‘jerk-y’. But, then, what do I know?
For the record, It was not my intention to state as fact something TubaDiva had already stated to the contrary, if indeed that was the case.
Simple, honest misunderstanding. I’m learning.
Looking around, I don’t see any mod hats in this thread (yet) so I don’t see how WG could have “pissed of the moderators” (in this thread at any rate).
That being said his reply to Veb was (IMHO) without contempt or derogatory language, and to paraphrase what Doc Lao said, he did not seem to be acting disrespectful at all.
I often arrive in these threads too late for meaningful comment, as I have again, but often enough to get in there as the last poster before it gets locked.
Generally some pointless comment that whooses everyone, having only a slight relevance to the subject matter by myself kills it off for good.
I don’t deliberately try to make these left field comments, just that I have a left-field brain, I try my hardest and bestest, I really do.
I’ve done a lot of soul-searching since last night. It was brought on by this from TVebelen:
I’m afraid that’s just not true. I think our sniping incited him. I offer the following:
and:
Among others.
I’ll admit it - I didn’t like him. I don’t know why. I’ve spent the last several hours reading over his posts. Except for what he admits to, there’s not much to not like about him. Maybe no one else will admit it, but I will: I was part of a mob mentality.
I probably was more responsable than anyone for this banning. And for that, to his friends on these boards, I offer my deepest apologies.
Is he a Jerk? I e-mailed him to apologize for my behaviour and ask him what he thought about his banning. Cut and pasted from his reply:
Not one jerky word in the whole thing! No anamosity, no hard feelings. Do I feel like a jack-ass? Oh, you betcha.
Now, I think we are getting to it. You want to see a pissed off Mod? Check out this:
Yep, that’s pissed off. But you see what he did? He told them in public how he felt and what they could expect if they did a specific thing again. And what else did you notice? That’s right - Mod hatfirmly in place.
Thinking someone is a jerk is a little subjective. TV should have been mre specific. I think she waded into a pit thread without her mod boots on and someone splashed a little mud on her. Not even that really. Just set her straight about his meanings:
Not in my book. Two different things.
In hours of reading other BANNED members last post, I can say that this banning was the singular most vulgar display of power shown on these boards that I could find. And I am disgusted with myself for having been part of it.
Don’t bother banning me, I’m taking a sabbatical on my own.
First off, let me say that it was never my intent to see anyone banned (as if I had the power to do so!). I felt I was being provoked, so I wanted to respond. And although obviously warmgun cannot directly defend himself, there are a couple of points I want to address (obviously not expecting an answer, although warmgun is welcome to e-mail me if he so desires).
warmgun already sent me an e-mail about this and said that the misspelling of my name was, indeed, what he was apologizing for, but not the content of the post (which I found fairly offensive in and of itself, but I’ll get into that in a minute).
OK, see, right here is where none of this makes sense.
[list=1][li]Why did you wait three weeks to tell me this?[/li][li]Why didn’t you post as such in the thread where I irritated you?[/li][li]Why are you sniping at me in non-related threads?[/li][/list=1]
To everyone else, this is Old News[sup]TM[/sup] which you just resurrected from the dead, and the irony is that it’s about you complaining about people harping you about Old News[sup]TM[/sup].
Yup. All well and good. So, again, why are you bringing it back up by sniping at me three weeks later?
This is a much-beloved public message board - we’re all “participants.” I learned a long time ago the maxim, “If you post it, they will respond.” Besides which, even if people don’t post, it doesn’t mean they don’t read your posts, which would make them, if not participants, at least witnesses.
Um, I’m not exactly sure where you’re getting this, but I’ll bite. What I stated was a fact - it takes a long time around here for people to forget it when you do jerkish things; hell, you noticed it after a few days yourself. Since you were apologizing in your thread and complaining that people hadn’t forgotten, I thought it was relevant to point out that, indeed, it’ll take some time. I figured it was also relevant to point out to you that it’s a lot of work to go from troll (or perceived jerk or troll) to non-troll, and most don’t make it and end up getting banned along the way. I’m sorry I didn’t properly acknowledge your apology, but since you seemed to be making a go of it, I was letting you know the obstacles you were going to face - sorry if that seemed harsh at the time. (You might also keep in mind that even when you apologize, there’s no requirement on the part of the person to whom you are apologizing to accept it.) Also remember, I have no power whatsoever to ban you or see to it that you are banned. How you saw this as a threat I’ll never know, unless, of course, you were still on some kind of “Evil SDMB Reg Clique” thing. Your banning now is a direct result of your actions (however unclear we might find TubaDiva’s exact reasoning), not because I started this thread.
Our last interaction was 3 weeks ago, and then you provoked me out of the blue in Otto’s thread, so, no, I haven’t “continued” to do anything in regard to you - in case you missed it, you were the one that brought it up again.
Evidently, you’re reading one. But if you really want a Hit Parade, I’ll bite. You started off with your comics question thread, which got moved from GQ to IMHO by JillGat, so you started this thread asking her why. When she didn’t respond within 24 hours, you started this thread asking the same exact question. (Jill eventually responded to your first thread, even including a solution.) Starting a second thread with the same question is called “trolling” around these parts, hence you started appearing as so to many people here (as was evidenced by the responses in that thread, and your getting pissy about it didn’t help). So when that finally dies, what do you do? Remark yet again in this thread where you complain about “mob rule” on the SDMB (and ironically complain about people hijacking threads just to berate other members, Mr. Pot :rolleyes: ).
Are there others I’m missing? I’m tired of looking, so I’m guessing not. I hope this adequately explains what happened, and I do believe you’re already painfully aware of your past (you remember, that past that we’d all sort of forgotten about until you brought it up again). And if the vast majority of your posts here were just about normal stuff (which they do seem to be, according to my search), why are you making such an issue of one mistake you made, and one poster’s reaction to it?
I do not see where me saying, “people don’t forget” and “don’t be a jerk or you’ll be banned” is anywhere near you referring to my “pink dress.” And yes, I would have had a problem with it regardless who posted it, but coupled with your swipe at me in Otto’s thread, it just seemed to me you were looking to pick a fight about Old News[sup]TM[/sup], and I wanted to know why.
You’re right - banning is not up to me. But I, like any other poster, can observe past behavior of those who have been banned and draw conclusions (i.e., few have made the transition successfully without being banned first). So why were you the one to make an issue of it?
Oh, I dunno - no more or less demeaning than “little mister” and my pink dress, n’est-ce pas? :rolleyes:
“Inciting others?”
You started a thread observing that people wouldn’t let you forget what you’d done. I make another, related observation on the truth of the first observation. How is this “inciting others to remember?” And, as TVeblen pointed out, since this happened three weeks ago, who’s doing the inciting now? Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecy…
It was true - you’d completely fallen off my radar. I daresay you’d fallen off everyone’s radar, and, oh gosh!, people had started to forget your self-described awkward first foray into the Pit. So, again, why did you bring it up again three weeks later? This is the part that no one can figure out.
No, this assumes that if you’re being a jerk, you’re being a jerk. Reminding us that you were once a jerk doesn’t help, either.
Nooooooooooooo. Once again, please - this issue had died three weeks ago. If you’d had a problem with what I said, perhaps if you’d brought it up at the time I could have clarified what I meant, rather than you waiting three weeks and then sniping at me in other threads.
Well it sure seems pretty obvious you’ve been holding a grudge against me for a while now, so, yeah, you’re allowed the same right. Pity it’s cost you your posting privileges.
I’m only posting this because I’m not looking for a response - I think I’ve made my point, and obviously whatever fight you might have wanted to pick is moot now. Frankly, I’m sorry to see you go, but dem’s the breaks. <shrug>
I would make a WAG that TubaDiva did not ban warmgun because of what he said to TVeblen, but rather she saw his sniping at me in unrelated threads to be jerkish.
Oh, and Billy Baroo, mind explaining your comment here?:
If the implication is that I was seeking to see him banned, that would be incorrect. I was, however, addressing his remarks to me in as direct a way as I could.
Bull. First, what was said was said weeks ago and should have been addressed then and there, at the appropriate time and in the appropriate thread - letting it fester for three weeks and then making unrelated swipes at people is childish (and jerkish). Second, if he did still have a legitimate beef and/or grudge about the comments made, he should have made a Pit thread and addressed it there, and/or addressed it privately in e-mail - again, unrelated swipes is inappropriate and jerkish. Why do you think I started this thread in the first place? I saw a problem and decided to address it. (And for those who know my history, I know all too well what ongoing sniping between two posters is like - not pretty.) Simple summary - he wasn’t a jerk, then he had a brief spat of jerkiness, apologized, we got over it, and then he was a jerk again. None of that is your fault, it’s his, IMHO.
And for the record, he also e-mailed me and apologized, and I have no hard feelings against him. This whole situation just confuses me (I notice I used the smilie a lot in this post).
For now, it looks pretty bad with the information available to us, so I would hope TubaDiva will explain what happened here.
I actually wrote this post 5-6 times yesterday, but didn’t submit it for fear of being banned. I have read in a lot of places on this board that people get official warnings before banning, and I did not see that happen here. Warmgun seemed like a decent poster, but he was banned without warning after responding to a mod who was not posting in her official capacity. I just don’t understand this.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this board, but right now I am somewhat nervous.
Let me reiterate, this is not an attack on any official of the board, but a request for information.
I think what happened is warmgun misread Esprix’s post as saying that he, Esprix, was not going to forgive and forget, when what Esprix meant was that people in general often refuse to forgive and forget.
I don’'t have any idea why warmgun was banned. If sniping at people in other threads is bannable, a lot of people are in trouble. (including me)
I couldn’t agree more. Very classy. Kudos to you, darkcool
Esprix - I know I’m risking the wrath of God (or Mod) by saying this, but I think going on and on about warmgun when he can’t fucking respond for himself shows an utter lack of taste.
And no, I’m not sniping at you - I happen to enjoy many of your posts (esp. gay guy stuff). But this is extremely lame and I would think you (of all people) would show a bit more class. If you have specific problems with him you should have e-mailed him, and not aired it in public since he can’t respond in public.
I haven’t interfaced with you very much, but for what it’s worth, you have my deepest respect and admiration.
Esprix,
I have no idea what I risk by saying this, but I think your post was uncool. It ain’t right to hold a one-way confrontation, debate, or whatever you want to call it. You said he could e-mail you; well, you could e-mail him, too. In no way do I blame you that WarmGun was banned. You were as shocked as the rest of us. As John said, if people were banned for sniping at other people there wouldn’t be very many people left. There are professional snipers here, a bunch of them.
Howyadoin,
YOU BASTARD!! I happen to have a sprained ankle, and am DEEPLY offended by your use of the word " lame "!!! How dare you use a word that I use to refer to my ambulatory status as an epithet! This is a disgrace against the English language, and an affront to lame people everywhere! I will expect an abject apology in this thread immediately…
-Rav
P.S. Don’t even think of hijacking the word “gimpy” for your nefarious purposes either!
P.P.S. All kidding aside… The mods/admins are gonna do what they’re are gonna do, and it’s obvious that there is as much recourse as there is when yelling at an umpire. Frankly, I don’t have all the facts of the situation, although some of the post mortems have been illuminating. It’s quite simple, really. It’s kinda like a hockey game. If two grunts wanna play lumberjack, they better watch out for the referee. And they both know that the retaliator is the one who gets seen, not the originator. BTW, when the other guy’s been ejected already, swinging at air looks really stupid.
I don’t know if the criticism of Esprix is fully warranted. The fact is that the final interpretation of events in this thread was that put forth by warmgun. I don’t know if Esprix is required to let that version stand in public, and express his own view (i.e. that he is the victim rather than the attacker) only in private e-mail. (OTOH, I am inclined to think that a less confrontational tone would have served this purpose).
