This is turning into a rather unfair pile-on. I fully agree with the OP, he may have been being a dick, but people are dicks all the time on this site without getting warnings.
I think the above post was the real reason for the warning. I think this:
was a perfectly reasonable response to this:
and either - not worthy of a warning, or - worthy of a warning, along with hundreds of other posts every week here on the Dope.
The warning was uncalled for and petty, in my opinion. Not that I expect that to change anything, just my two cents.
Time to dial it way back please. While we don’t have a rule against profanity in this forum, you are abusing the privilege. If I see more, you won’t like the result.
Yeah, you did. You clearly accused guizot of both hijacking and threadshitting, both of which are potential rules violations. You were Junior Modding.
You were also:
Being a jerk
Insulting other posters
Disobeying moderator instructions
Disputing moderator actions outside of ATMB
All of which are rules violations.
So, if you really want us to adhere to the letter of the law, and if we applied each of these infractions to each one of your posts which constitute a rules violation, you would actually be guilty of at least 10 or 12 separate infractions in that thread alone.
I concur with this. In fact, your post in that thread coupled with your posts here look a lot like trolling. If I were you, I’d settle down before we revisit the decision to merely issue you a single warning.
You admit here you engaged in behavior that merited a warning. I quite agree.
The rest of the mod warning is therefore no worse than harmless error. And no one else in very interested in debating with you whether you were junior modding or merely being a dick.
In my opinion, the warning ought to stand, and following your concession above, this thread ought to be closed.
Jake Jones, when I gave you the mod note and charging you with being a snark, I was including your post #28–the one I later issued the infraction for–under the general heading of snarkishness but didn’t quote it in the moderator note. Even though I didn’t specifically mention it, it contributed substantially to my decision that a word was in order. You were within a hair’s breadth of insulting other posters, which itself can garner a formal warning if directed at other specific posters. One way of looking at it is that you did exactly that, saying, in effect that people who shared the OP’s views were “affected assholes” and/or “douchebags”–hence calling the OP a douchebag, etc. Another way of looking at it is that you were skating just this side of the law, because you didn’t directly sling insults at specific posters. I took the second alternative which is why it was a mod note and not a formal warning. Regarding “tone”, that is a factor. Insulting other posters is allowed in the Pit, which also gives more leeway in the language you use to refute arguments or criticize others. Hypothetical: you’re in a bar arguing with a stranger about the pronunciation of Tijuana. He says “Tiwanna”; you say it’s “Tia-Wanna”, and moreover, that anyone who thinks your pronunciation is wrong is a raging douchebag. It’d probably end in a fight. Or do you really talk to people this way when debating academic or geographic minutiae IRL?
On reconsideration I gave the infraction for the specific post #28. Junior moderating can be a gray area, it’s true. If Poster A tells newbie Poster B that his thread “might do better in a different forum”, or how to report a post, that’s being helpful. But if he tells Poster B how to behave on the SDMB, including accusations of specific violations, then that’s junior modding.
Your subsequent reply had nothing to do with the decision to issue a formal warning for post #28. We usually don’t go back and revisit something that was posted days or weeks ago, but when the OP is less than a day old, anything in the thread can come to the attention of the staff. The sequence of posts doesn’t necessarily matter–if we mod note you for something it doesn’t mean we can’t return and issue a warning for a prior post of yours in the same thread. And consider this: A moderator note isn’t meaningless in its context. But in the larger scheme of things, if the poster in question takes heed, a mod note tends to be all but forgotten by just about everyone. I’m not about to rescind the mod note; it’s up to you to make everyone else eventually forget about it.
I opened the thread specifically because I know how freely the invective and vitriol can flow whenever pronunciation and usage come up for discussion, and thought I should take a look at it.
Yes, you were junior modding. Accusing someone of hijacking is junior modding. Accusing someone of threadshitting is junior modding. Doing both at once is arguably two violations.
Actually it is. Reserve being a dick to the Pit, or you will likely find your posting privileges revoked.
I’m just pissed that the original thread was closed. I wanted to weigh in with a few local pronunciation jokes when I found out that the OP of this thread is from “Rottenchester”.
That wasn’t junior modding. It was annoying and rude and I think there are a lot of guidelines you could make a case for it breaking but it wasn’t junior modding.
I don’t know about “junior modding”… he accused someone of threadshitting and hijacking a thread. Sure, those are against the rules, but that doesn’t mean the poster was posting them in an attempt to enforce the rules, as opposed to just telling someone “that’s annoying, knock it off”. (Full disclosure – I haven’t read any of that thread except the post quoted in the “junior modding” warning and the next couple replies.)
I mean, being a jerk is also against the rules. But if I say “Hey, quit being a jerk” does that mean I’m junior modding? Even if I would say that regardless of if it were a rule?
But he replied to a moderator with “Fuck you”, so that’s probably a warning anyway I guess.
This is why I deleted my post #46. If you are referring to
I thought he was saying ‘fuck you’ to a mod, but on closer reading, I think the part I have bolded is where he explains what he means. But when you use the amount of invective that he does, it becomes rather hard to tell.
