[QUOTE=Monty]
Hmmm…the only acceptable low offense rate is zero, as it’s a crime (shown in the link above) to tamper with someone’s food and it’s well-known that theft is a crime.
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I wasn’t asserting that my offense rate is acceptable in terms of the law, but rather in terms of risk level for nice, decent people. If someone is nice (hell, they don’t even have to be nice, just not horrible) there is absolutely no risk.
[QUOTE=Monty]
My assumptions when I dine in a restaurant are:
[ol][li]The waitstaff and cooks have been certified by the relevant health agencies to work in food service.[/li][li]The waitstaff and cooks are aware of the laws relating to their employment.[/li][li]The management supervises the waitstaff and cooks to ensure they not only perform their duties with courtesy and a good demeanor, but also they obey the relevant laws.[/li][li]That if one of the employees tampers with a customer’s food or steals from a customer, they will–at a minimum–be fired for cause. I would prefer that the individual both be fired and prosecuted.[/ol][/li][/QUOTE]
Those are appropriate expectations but if you expect all of those points to be fulfilled when you dine there are a lot of places you’d need to avoid and I think you’d be in for a lot of surprises. I say that without an ounce of facetiousness or snide intent.
Of course, this widely depends on the quality of dining location and local laws/enforcement, but in my experience the practical situation falls short of meeting what would be expected by the general public should they discover the truth. Restaurants go to considerable lengths to maintain the illusion. Just compare the dining room with the kitchen (if you can get a good tour) and the areas out back. There are many kitchen which are very clean, but there are plenty of horror stories as well.
[QUOTE=Monty]
I would think your employer would have been much less than pleased to discover you had tampered with a customer’s food or stole from a customer. Do you realize the financial liability that exposes the employer to? And all because you got offended. Very mature.
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[QUOTE=Queuing]
You could be the most perfect waiter forever and ever. Throwing away an engagement ring is one of the most horrible things I have heard someone admit to doing on this board. Spitting/serving bad food/whatever doesn’t even come close to doing such a thing. I have worked customer service (not in the food industry however) and been treated badly. I have had people grab me, push me, get in my face and yell at me (okay the last 2 were the same guy), etc. In no way would I ever consider it “justice” or whatever to throw away an engagement ring.
In retrospect, do you feel bad about your actions?
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I hear what you are saying and I respect that you would never do something like that. We’re just different, I guess.
Do I feel bad in retrospect? Not in the slightest.
My advice to people interested in avoid stuff like this: Be a nice person. Because, right or wrong, people like me are out there.
[QUOTE=Shamozzle]
I hear what you are saying and I respect that you would never do something like that. We’re just different, I guess.
Do I feel bad in retrospect? Not in the slightest.
My advice to people interested in avoid stuff like this: Be a nice person. Because, right or wrong, people like me are out there.
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yea, I know. I work w/offenders (helping them find employment post incarceration -it’s not easy forthem, by the way) for a living. perhaps you’d like to keep my contact info, just in case.
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What does this mean? I am not being obtuse or disingenuous; I don’t understand this syntax.
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Syntax? Fuck, pass the punchcards… Nah, I’m just joking around.
What I meant was that I found your post to be “all fired up” and I found that amusing. That’s all.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Would you care to share your definition?
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You know what though? I was thinking about your accusation of cowardice on my part and maybe you’re right. I suppose it is cowardly to sabotage someone’s food instead of approaching them directly and saying, “Hey asshole! I think you are a horrible person and I insist we go outside so I can punch your lights out.”
But I need to keep my job. So I act cowardly. For me, it’s better than nothing and I’d rather be a coward with a job than a hero without one. it’s a trade-off I can live with.
[QUOTE=wring]
yea, I know. I work w/offenders (helping them find employment post incarceration -it’s not easy forthem, by the way) for a living. perhaps you’d like to keep my contact info, just in case.
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Well, I do my best to avoid getting caught. But I’ll let you know.
There doesn’t appear to be any maybe about it, Shamozzle. What you describe and your pathetic rationalization of your actions are clearly sociopathic. You have described yourself as an remorseless felon. It seems to me that jail is clearly the place for you.
[QUOTE=Monty]
There doesn’t appear to be any maybe about it, Shamozzle. What you describe and your pathetic rationalization of your actions are clearly sociopathic. You have described yourself as an remorseless felon. It seems to me that jail is clearly the place for you.
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Well, overall I feel bad that it happened. I would have rather had the “victims” in question not show up at the restaurant and sit down in my section.
But since they did, and since they were total assholes in my opinion, I don’t feel bad about chucking their ring, no.
[QUOTE=Shamozzle]
Well, overall I feel bad that it happened. I would have rather had the “victims” in question not show up at the restaurant and sit down in my section.
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“It” didn’t “happen.” You–of your own volition and willingly–decided to commit a number of crimes.
[QUOTE=Shamozzle]
Well, I do my best to avoid getting caught. But I’ll let you know.
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since your ‘best’ includes
admitting criminal behavior on the ‘net’ good luck w/that plan. I need not worry about job security w/folks like you around.
[QUOTE=wring]
since your ‘best’ includes
admitting criminal behavior on the ‘net’ good luck w/that plan. I need not worry about job security w/folks like you around.
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Do you really think I’m at any risk admitting this particular behavior on the net?
You know what’s sad, wring? Sham’s going to get caught and incarcerated. While he’s in jail, he’s probably going to be assigned to the food service section.
Shamozzle, a question; you’ve said you didn’t feel bad about chucking the ring, but do you feel good about it? I’m confused as to whether you saw it as necessary or just a funny idea.
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Shamozzle, a question; you’ve said you didn’t feel bad about chucking the ring, but do you feel good about it? I’m confused as to whether you saw it as necessary or just a funny idea.
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I can’t say I felt good about it in the “Yay!” sense and I wouldn’t say I found it “funny” either. It just seemed entirely necessary. I guess I needed to feel justice.
[QUOTE=Shamozzle]
I’ve stated my “offense rate” and it’s pretty low. It’s reasonable for nice, decent people to assume they’re safe… My definition of “nice, decent people” is generally consistent with the public’s definition.
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Except, of course, you think it’s perfectly fine to secretly spit in the food of someone who you believe to have slighted you. Given that, why on earth should we trust your assessment of other people’s behaviour?
[QUOTE=Shamozzle]
I can’t say I felt good about it in the “Yay!” sense and I wouldn’t say I found it “funny” either. It just seemed entirely necessary. I guess I needed to feel justice.
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Do you feel the “punishment” fit the crime? Was it a proportional response, in other words?
