This was touched on earlier. It seems “personal rules” is the proper term. And I certainly live by those and I don’t care what anybody says about it.
Yea, you’re right. Why trust a sociopath? I can understand that.
Yea, I’d say so.
I’ve worked in a coffee shop for several years in college, as well as a fast food sandwich shop. I have never witnessed any tampering with the food or drink and I can’t imagine any of my coworkers ever seriously considering to do so. That said, when I was in high school, I did hear some rather disgusting stories come out of what my friends did when they encountered rude customers at Taco Bell, so I definitely play it safe and not me rude. To suggest it is the norm, however, is pretty stupid.
If you don’t like dealing with people that much, do yourself and your customers a favor and get the fuck out of the hospitality industry.
I mean, fuck it, how personally can you possibly take rudeness at a job like this that you would need to exact your childish revenge? Who the fuck cares? Give the customer what he or she wants and move on to the next customer. Rude customers (in the rare instance I’ve encountered them) have always amused me. The fact that someone can get that worked up about coffee or whatnot amazes me. The fact that a barista or waiter could take it that personally is just as ridiculous.
Would that change depending on your role? For example, if someone behaved in a similar way to you when you weren’t working, would this be more or less offensive to you?
I would love to just sit at a coffee shop with VCO3 and talk to him about music - if all the black people around us would just be quiet so I could hear him. Oh wait, black people wouldn’t be in the coffee shop to begin with, because they don’t drink coffee. :smack:
I kid. But seriously, as much as I hate to defend Mr. Seen-Waiting-Too-Many-Times, the guy knows his alt rock. So at least in Cafe Society, I generally like what he has to say. Hey, why does this coffee taste like piss?
If I understand you correctly, you’re asking if I was, say, walking down the street and someone “wronged” me, would I seek my own justice there too? Yes, of course. But that is vague. The whole thing would depend on the specific situation.
Sort of. I’m more asking whether you would judge an offensive behaviour as being worse (or not as bad) when you’re in your job role as when you’re not.
OK, here’s specific.
Wer’re walking towards each other and I harrangue you for being a sociopath based on what you’ve said here. Is that offensive? And if so, what do you do?
No, that’s not offensive. I am a sociopath, apparently.
I remember working a job where the only income was in tips. I was bagging groceries at the commissary of Carlisle Barracks back when I was 11 or so. My fellow baggers and I weren’t happy when we got a low or non-existent tip. What we did, though, was not to plot and exact secret or even open revenge on the customer. We tried to do a better job. You see, in our minds “better job = better tip.” And it made for a happier bunch of customers.
A few years later, I had a job as a cashier at a different commissary. The working conditions were bad because of the supervisor and the store manager. Did I spike their coffee or otherwise abuse them in a criminal fashion? No. I stopped working there. It’s a very easy solution.
If you think that you can’t stop working at that restaurant because you “really need the job,” perhaps you should consider not committing crimes against the clientele. It’s kind of hard to keep the job when you get fired and jailed for that.
Shamozzle: What you’re describing isn’t justice; it’s vigilantism. People go to jail for that too.
Oh, ok.
I think I would judge it the same, but it occurs less frequently outside the restaurant.
It’s amazing to me how poorly people conduct themselves in a restaurant environment. (Don’t bother turning that one around on me people, it’s been done) I’ve known otherwise normal people who turn into absolutely horrible people while in a restaurant. There’s something going on with implied roles, etc…, I think. The only other regular environment that approaches this for bad behavior is behind the wheel, IHMO. So many people turn into idiots when they get behind the wheel…
Yea, yea. I know. Turn that frown upside down. I’l get a new job soon.
Vigilantism. That’s the word we’re looking for. I suppose I’m a vigilante. That works.
And yea, I know people go to jail for that. That’s why you gotta keep it on the down-low.
I suspect people have the wrong impression. I get the idea that people think I wake up in the morning and think, “Who can I fuck over today?” It’s not like that. The entire “revenge” thing is completely out of my mind until that rare occasion when a customer is so brutal that I’m thinking, “Holy shit. Are you kidding me? Fuck, that’s* it*!” and I let’er rip and then I move on…
Further to that Revenant Threshold, there is a huge chasm between how customers think a restaurant works or should work and how it actually works. The server is the firefighter/keystone cop who bridges this gap.
With an improper assessment of restaurant functionality on the part of the customer comes behavior consistent with that misunderstanding. Some people understand restaurants so poorly and are so inherently nasty anyway, that it brings out the worse in them. I’ve decided not to take that shit.
Sorry if someone already posted this, but have you seen the website stainedapron.com ? It lists all sorts of scary revenge that servers take upon customers, so VCO3’s actions, while reprehensible, are certainly not solo.
There is a middle ground that you are too blind to see. You can assert your rights, and stand up for yourself, without committing crimes or getting fired. I’ve read accounts from various places (here, Customers Suck!) in which people did just that. You’re an asshat, and I hope Karma whacks you good. I also hope that VC03 reaps the bitter harvest they have sown as well, and that they realize with every sting that they have only themselves to blame.
Tangent: Here is another more description of a sociopath.
I’ve never seen this site before but it comes as no surprise whatsoever. Anyone who doesn’t realize that fucking with waiters is a bad idea is living in a dreamland. Right or wrong, that’s the way it is.
I don’t see where I can assert my rights or stand up for myself in a manner that serves the justice I seek. It’s not enough for me to just “sound off”…
Ah, so you admit to being a petty, vindictive asshat then, do you? Not surprised at all. :rolleyes:
I looked at that definition of “Sociopath” you provided and it doesn’t really sound like me. It seems exhausting. All that planning and manipulation…
But of course, that is exactly what a sociopath would say… right?