I don’t know. He seems Klingon to me.
Hey!
Oh, and the name “Stuart” means “household guardian”, NOT “black boy”, as your friend claims.
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I don’t know WHERE people come up with this shit, but whatever it is, I want some! 
Really? That’s basic etymology right there. I thought everyone knew what a steward is. Certainly all of our Lord of the Rings fans could set him straight on that one.
If that is true, which of Charles II’s parents (Charles I& Henrietta Maria of France) look black to you??
The site claims:
Yes, and that founding ancestor of the Stuart line is Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. Yes, there’s a black boy if I ever saw one. :rolleyes:
Classics Professor Mary Lefkowitz has written a couple of books debunking Afrocentrist theories.
In the link below she addresses the idea that Cleopatra was black (also open the link to see the images of busts and coinage portraits which show she did not have black features). She also addresses much of the other nonsense Afrocentrists come up with.
Whose descriptions? You’ve mentioned this several times, but you have yet to provide a cite showing exactly who described the European monarchs as black.
Which black images? The only image of a black man you have shown is Barack Obama, edited to look white. You are showing us images of white Europeans, and claiming they were really black men.
Described by who?
Moores? Do you mean Moors? If so, how would Moors in Europe lend credence to a theory of black European aristocracy?
Of course there were blacks in Europe. I haven’t heard of the Grimaldi Man, though. Who is he, and how does he support the idea that European nobility were black?
Cite? Garamantes were Saharan people who lived in Africa and never went to the Netherlands, according to every source I can find. If some Garamantes made it to Europe, where is the evidence they ended up as royalty?
You have yet to provide a single legitimate example proving your hypothesis. Even if Eurocentric historians are ideological racists, how does that support the idea that blacks dominated European royalty?
Just like me!
Nevermind that his brother was in charge of the Royal African Company, which had a monopoly on England’s African slave trade at the time…
That doesn’t mean anything. There were plenty of blacks back in Africa involved in the slave trade too, remember. African blacks were buying and selling each other long before ol’ Whitey ever stepped in, and, for that matter, long after Whitey abolished slavery in Whiteyland.
Where have these black royals gone? They have their pretender descendents and in some cases their ruling descendents, if with a side-step.
The simple answer is that blue blood is an English expression related partly to the dark purple blood of royalty afflicted with the congenital condition of Porphyry that turns the blood purple (and takes its name from that), partly from the idea of their protected skin being so thin and white that the blue veins showed through as they did not on thick-skinned peasantry.
No offense, but you’re waaaaay off: try Robert II, grandson of the famous Robert the Bruce.
House of Stuart/Stewart (now our “dear” friend Egmond can analize the pictures of Stuart monarchs for signs of “blackness” all he wishes!)
They only changed the spelling to Stuart because of Darnley’s French connections, it seems. But he was a cousin of Mary’s, so he was already a member of the Stuart/Stewart dynasty.
ETA:
Fixed link: James II
Well, it was never specified exactly which Stuart ancestor the Stuart line of English monarchs was descended from, so I just went with the first immediate ancestor before the first Stuart king of England (James I) - the one who is responsible for bringing the Stuart line into the English monarchy - which was Darnley. Obviously it goes back much farther than that in Scotland.
Okay, that makes sense. Of course, since the OP tried to claim that Darnley’s wife, Mary, was also black, I doubt he’ll agree with you.
I’d also like to point out, that by his logic – that the “black/blue bloods” wore white make-up to look white, wouldn’t that basically mean that the whole powdered wig fashion was to make one look elderly?
[Disclaimer: I haven’t read the entire thread]
I’m not sure how photoshopped images of a man that is just as much “white” as he is “black” supports your argument. Did you know that Obama’s mom was a white chick?
Chuck 1 was rocking some serious shoes…
…man, why do I miss all the fun? Looking up Garibaldi Man has been a lot of fun for this half-Khoisan, I can tell you.
Mr. Codfried is presumably not going to return. But here goes anyhow…
None of these examples can be accepted at, well, face-value. Take the claim that he was described as a ‘tall black man’. Well, you can indeed find dozens of online references to this claim, some from seemingly reputable printed sources. These are usually combined with the claim that it came from the wanted poster for him issued in 1651. But others instead give the quote as ‘a tall man, above two yards high’. Actually the original quote comes from a letter sent by the Parliamentarian Council of State to customs officials. The printed calendared version gives the full quote.
So the genuine description issued by his Parliamentarian enemies, who wanted him captured as a matter of the greatest urgency, failed to mention that he had black skin.:smack:
The Boswell quote is even sillier. When Boswell wrote about ‘the swarthy Stuart’ being given ‘[t]he cream complexion of Hanover’, he was satirising a decision to paint white the lead statue of Charles II in Parliament Square in Edinburgh.
I don’t have enough time to waste with this guy IF he ever comes back and I wouldn’t read his books if he gave them to me. If you win an argument with a person of his caliber, what have you accomplished?
On the off chance that the OP does come back:
Is there any explanation for why the descendents of these black monarchs had become lily-white by the time photography had rolled around? I don’t recall too many photos in which Queen Elizabeth II or King George V or Queen Victoria have ‘black’ featues.