"We told you so!" (Anti-Clinton Rant)

You don’t think it will make any difference whether we elect someone who wants to increase taxes on the rich versus one who wants to substantially decrease taxes on the rich?

Well countries primarily look after their own interests. But do you think there are countries that successfully exploit the US on balance? Who?

It’s funny to me that so many people talk about China exploiting the US, when the exact same kind of trade was always referred to as the US exploiting China when I was growing up. But anyway if they’re stealing our JABS, they’re doing a terrible job at it, since US unemployment is as low as it’s ever been.

I think you may have missed the point of my post (or I yours).

I think the OP is alarmingly spot on, but it seems not in the way that he meant it (again, I didn’t know the poster’s views).

The OP describes a very believable scenario:

Hillary will be elected.

The right wing will hyperbolically excoriate her — *irrespective of her actions *— and will continue its current mantra that everything is terrible — irrespective of the actual state of things.

They will repeat the lie for four years. At the two-year mark, when they regain control/expand their lead in congress (which is typical for mid-term elections, more so after the 2010 redistricting), the number of hearings and talk of impeachment will increase irrespective of any action she takes. The Benghazi model of politics.

In 2020, Trump’s electoral base will, to paraphrase the OP, say ‘See? We told you so’. Every dire prediction they made about Hillary’s administration will, and must, come true because irrespective of facts, the alt-right press and TrumpTV will declare it to be true. Nothing can be done by anyone to stop it. They will have been repeating the lies for four years now.

Enter a candidate with Trump’s penchant for demagoguery but not his ignorance of the facts. Someone with a neo-colonialist bent but with the awareness not to outright declare we should have taken Iraq’s oil. Someone with a eye for divisiveness but not the overreach to harp on building a wall. Someone who would be as damaging as Trump but without Trump’s damaging past.

A candidate who would capture the Republican ticket by appealing to the same alt-right crowd as Trump to dominate the primaries, but who is able to adroitly pivot and make an appeal to the generalist voter.

That candidate would face Hillary, who mostly because of the effects of 20+ years of vitriolic and mostly unfounded criticism and lies is starting out with negative ratings at the beginning of her presidency. Add four more years of targeted Republican attacks that make this year’s slide down into the gutter and she will be a weak candidate.

Considering that, it’s entirely plausible that the country will elect a wolf in Trump’s clothing. There’s a real danger to the Republic in the next election.

“Let’s cut straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.”

And that is why I have been hoping that Trump will win this election even though I am not crazy enough to vote for him. If Trump wins, the opposite will happen and the Republican Party will self destruct.

Of all the scenarios, I’d much rather have Trump lose, blame ‘the press’ and the Republican establishment, and run again but without the promise to not go third-party unless he gets the nomination. Concentrating the bashit vote on Trump or his ilk will cleave the party in two.

If Trump wins, the debt will rise, the economy will falter, government will become more disfunctional, etc. Then, one of two things will happen.

  1. In the opposite of the Hillary scenario, no matter how bad things get Trump’s supporters will say that everything is wonderful, his policies have worked, and America is great again!

  2. If things truly get so bad that they can’t ignore it, they will abandon Trump. Then they will start looking for someone to put things right by cutting taxes on the rich, increasing military spending, building a wall along the Mexican border,…

Lol, oh thats cute. You still think that what they say during the campaign will hold true after they win. Oh man that’s an awesome fairy world you live in. Is it members only or what?

I gather you’re one of those who ALREADY KNOW that Clinton will be the worst ever president, and you won’t need any clumsy facts or figures to get in your way.

Or just a bitter, bitter cynic?

This.

74 year old Trump will not be running in 2020, is my guess.