Claims:
NAF claims Boozahol did nothing N1
cucuy investigated Boozahol and found out who he is (presumably his claimed role)
Oredigger blocked Allwalker N1: “an oddly wonderful night”
Allwaker got “You had a wonderful Night of passion. You won’t forget that any time soon!” N1
There was no kill N2
cucay investigated storyteller and said he was a CT
NAF claims to have used a passive power N2
Oredigger claims to have blocked JoeyP N2
NAF1138 claims to have tried to kill storyteller on D3 - no effect
Oredigger claims to have blocked NAF1138 N3
cucay investigated USCDiver and said he was a CT
You can update the passive power to self protect for me. That cat is already out of the bag, so we might as well be consistant with the information available.
Ok, so, what I said about worrying about third parties? I think I was wrong. As long as we kill all the Crimson Thorns we clearly don’t have to worry. Unless I am very mistaken (and please let me know if anyone sees a loophole that I am missing), the above wincon clearly excludes win stealing third parties. At least for town.
It does leave open the possibility of game enders where a third party would win when they reach a specific goal (such as targeting every living member of town), but I don’t know what we can do about that.
X wins when all Y are dead. ** Thats what Town has, yes?
What is to stop the following:
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W Wins when all X are dead. ** [There would be no way for X to know this is a wincon.]
Further more, it would fit the overarching archetype of a third party – secret to town as a whole. (I am using the word “town” to mean all players. Thirds and Scums are and indeed have to play as town at some point in the game.)
You’ve got to be kidding me. He chose Natlaw and Natlaw was the one who died. Really, I don’t see how you’re missing it.
But it doesn’t matter at this point because we’ve got another CT in the hand and it doesn’t make any difference whether Story was a psudo-bomb or the CTs decided to not kill a power role and shrunk the pool for them to hide in. We can see what happen after to Night.
Sure, but if town is x, town loses when all x are dead regardless of if y or w are the ones who win. I don’t care about y or w winning, they can take care of themselves. If to win town (x) only has to remove Chrimson Thorn (y) then we don’t have to worry about killing third party (w) because if w wins only when all x are dead and x wins when all y are dead and y are all killed before x are…x wins and the game is over. W is shit out of luck in that situation.
Ped, I was gonna jump on you too, but Mah did say, twice, that Story was a Vanilla/Ordinary Crimson Thorn, so unless the CTs in general get to chose someone to take out with them, I would assume, like you, it was just in the color.
Digger, if Story did chose Natlaw, would that have been the NK, or do you think Story was a bomb and the NK didn’t go through?
A. Story was not a Bomb - Then we had our NK [Nat], that we were going to have anyway, and we are still ahead of the game, in the fact that we got another CT. [I consider this being real good, a one for one trade.]
B. Story was a Bomb, and bombed Nat. For whatever reason then, we didn’t have the NK we were supposed to have. [Not as good as Option A, but, again, we could have lost 2 town, if story was a bomb, and was not attached to the NK, that could have happened, under this scenario.]
C. Something else, This could be a number of things, the least of which being role blocker, probability chances, etc. If this is the case, we can only work with what we KNOW has happened, not what we can speculate [We will be here for the entire game on it, and from the looks of it, it looks like we just might.]
The good news, that remains the good news, is that last night, FWIW, was good for town, considering what we could have had.
I would like to speculate on last night as well, but, given that, we have a bandwagon [Face it, that is what it is] vote out, and a post restricted, outed Town power role, I believe our game is about change, very quickly, relatively speaking.
Let’s enjoy what we have while we have it, and take the final moves it affords us [The Vote on Diver] this won’t last forever, and it is never to late to plan after it. I don’t see Cucuy living too much longer. [And this is just plain common sense.]
I am not sure what Tomorrow may bring. Frankly, I don’t have anything to follow up on.
Anyone have any ideas outside of Story is or isn’t a bomb / Cucuy tells us to vote Diver?
Are we seriously still considering a third party? [Hey don’t look at me, I even suggested that this game was a one party…]
Anyone else for what 50% means? What “Be careful” and “[be] creative” could mean?
Or, you know, don’t take my ideas, just, if we can build off of each other, a foundation has to come somewhere.
Actually, it kinda does. If Story WAS a bomb, either the Night Killer was blocked or the Night Killee was protected, if story wasn’t a bomb then neither of those things happened. If Story was a bomb then it’s possible NAF is our killer (assuming Story did in fact block NAF last Night).
It’s hard to say this time since a death did happen at night. If one hadn’t I would suggest that Digger stay on the same person again to see what happens.
Not only that, but **Nanook **has implied he was protecting cucuy or at the very least has something to do with his Babelfish syndrome.
I’d also like to encourage all of you to at least consider that I’m a vanilla townie who has had a false investigation as you try to decipher the puzzle Today. It’s going to be a lot harder to go back Tomorrow and rethink everything that’s been posted Today.
I’m not sure what you expect. Just like I said over and over to Meeko Yesterday, there is no chance in hell that we’re at LYLO. As such, there is exactly a zero percent chance I’ll vote for the claimed Detective who successfully outted one Scum so far over a claimed Vanilla that said claimed Detective has said is Scum. Further, your last statement doesn’t make sense. If you come up as anything other than Scum or Miller we’ll have a pretty good idea of what happened Today. Why would more information make it HARDER to figure out what’s going on?
[Ok, so even if he isn’t a player, he is playing us. Right?]
So. This has been my first game, where we could not discuss strategy at Night. I am told, and I believe due to the nature that the timing step is called “night” that indeed not talking at night is the default rule. Victim of circumstance that I am, to get my first two Mafia games with out this rule in effect.
But, that doesn’t really explain why it is in effect for this game.
I mean, It is apparent to me, that Color actually means something this time around. Sure, all games should feel this way, but, I just wonder what DOES happen at night, if not the talking. Why must town go home?
Ma is not telling us allignment when it is usually time to do so. most of us have commented on it, some more than I have. So, here, we have proof that this game is definitely not a normally mafia game. How much more down this path has Ma taken this game?
Interesting to re-read this, in light of the current vote leader.
But, this was Dusk Two. We had some answers at this point, and we realized, thankfully, that Ma is not that gastardly. We will get our answers, only when he wants us to. I highly suspect that Color is once again at work here.
But, that is not the only thing. Again, on Dusk Two, we have “100% Dead”. The first night could simply mean that either Mahaloth is making it clear with us that F.S. was in the ground. Odd verbiage for day 1, but, if it were to be a one time shot [Excuse the pun] then we could ignore it, chalk it up to an attempt at humor, or some other, innocent reason.
But, again, we get Math at Dusk Two. I don’t know what to do with 100% Dead, and I don’t think anyone else can do anything with it either. If it was some other number, the implication to me, is that someone could have a resurrect power, or some other “near death experience” triggering event. [Either Pro-town, via a doctor, or Pro some other eventuality we do not know yet.]
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I wonder if Ghosts or some other assumed Third plays here. If the numbers point to a window for a third party.
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Then again, it could just be a red herring.
One has to wonder, if Ma just threw in the ““Boom!!!”” line because Town willed it into being. That is, if Story was the Bomb, would we have a ““Boom!!!”” as we had it ?
Let me put on the flame-proof suit:
Good WIFOM on Ma’s part.
**And from this, we have quite a few things. **
**"" The Doom “” **is so… obtuse in phrasing, that I think it does NOT mean just the barrel, or the iD game.
**50% ** I assume that this can be compared to the 100% So something got easier for someone, somwhere. Given that we have 2 scum down, compared to a much larger population of Town [Pure basic MAFIA Math] I think and hope that Town has gotten further towards winning.
Those of you that can do something, do something with this, if you can.
I chose Natlaw.
A: Storyteller is Third, or a CT with Alpha and other powers.
B. Storyteller got to get his NK in, before his death.
I lean more towards the first option.
The vote on Diver is not likely to go away.
Mahaloth is not going to give info away before he has to.
Let’s see what tonight brings, and toss that into this mix, and see what happens.
As it is now, Something has to happen. I am willing to bet that, that something will happen, and soon. Otherwise, Im totally clueless here.
You’re misunderstanding me. I’m not asking you to unvote for me. I can’t argue that I’m the best lynch candidate for Today. I’m just worried about all the assumptions that people are making with false information and I’d like to caution you all to at least keep the possibility that I’m town in the back of your mind.