Duke, you obviously haven’t stopped at the ice cream stand in Northern Cambria. Soft-serve heaven.
I think that the OP is making too many assumptions about the mother’s state of affairs. If she was there, she would be dead- most likely. Are you really lamenting the fact that the psycho didn’t get another victim?
Snoopyfan, if Peeler had stayed with her children, I’d bet my next 6 months rent that she too would have been killed. Do you honestly believe that it would have been better for these three little girls to have their mother killed by their father? Do you realize that if Jones had killed her that simply by being the only surviving parent of two of them, he would be more likely to gain custody?
If you really believe that Peeler should have stayed with her kids and been killed or that a woman should die because of an unwanted pregnancy (I’m taking this from your belief that abortion should be illegal, even if it would save the life of the mother), I have a deal for you. Sometime this spring, I’ll be visiting an old friend in your neck of the woods. Since you apparently believe that women should die for their sins, I’ll take you up on that. Since Peeler is alive and abortion is legal in this country, you can kill me instead. While I haven’t taken up with an abusive lout or had an abortion, I’m willing to set myself up as a substitutionary atonement. It worked well enough for the Guy who founded the religion you and I are supposed to follow.
I am truly appalled. You would savage a woman whose going to live with the death of her parents, her step sister, and her infant daughter, and spare the waste of carbon and fertilizer who took those lives. I was inclined to like you when you turned up here; as I said, I have an old friend who lives in your neck of the woods, and it’s a beautiful part of the country. Now, I see you as a hate-filled, bitter, self-righteous creature. I hope you never find yourself in a situation like Peeler was in where there is no easy way out. I pray you never know true adversity, because I doubt you’d survive the lessons it teaches. I also pray that you someday meet a God who’s a lot more merciful than you are.
Oh, by the way, I’ve got Orbitz up. Airfare from your state capital to Aukland, New Zealand, one-way, 2 weeks from today (allowing for time to plan an escape) is $1800 for one person and the flying alone will take two days.
CJ
Oh, come on dude…the gene pool around here has been stagnant for quite some time now haha
Sometimes I walk around, and I feel like I AM in Boals Creek…well maybe some sort of alternative Boals Creek where everyone’s on heroin. I try to get away, but there’s some kind of Altoona magnet that keeps pulling me back.
Jon
On the bright side, Robyn, that’ll at least keep her idiotic twattishness confined to one state. (In real life, at least. She’ll still be able to spew her crap worldwide via the 'net, but soggy potato chips are better than no potato chips and all that.)
Heh! Okay, SOME areas…and I feel the same way about the “magnet”. I call it flypaper for the soul. Every time you think you’ve escaped, it draws you back in.
I finally made my (I hope) final escape a few months ago. Still in PA, but not Altoona, anyway…
I don’t agree with vicious comments about Snoopyfan, nor do I agree with her blanket condemnation of the mother; specifically assuming it she put her desire to get laid over her children’s welfare.
However, if the guy had made threats in the past, or even seemed slightly unstable, then I think possibly the worst thing the mother could have done was to fly off to see her boyfriend and leave her kids within reach of Psycho, regardless of whether or not she had custody.
Yes, the loss she has suffered is beyond horrible, but I don’t see it as a loss that was completely beyond her control. Assuming she was aware of what a nutcase HE was, she could have done a million things, and the thing she chose to do was to go and see her boyfriend - a visit that she may have guessed would not sit to well with Jones. She wasn’t squating in her house like a sack of potatoes not knowing what the hell to do -she made an active choice, and that choice was LEAVE THE STATE AND HER KIDS BEHIND when she knew he was unstable.
Do I feel sorry for her? Yes. Do I feel more sorry for her parents, sister, and infant that died? A resounding YES. Do I think she’s going to second guess herself for the rest of her life and probably go through a living Hell, again, sadly, yes. However, I think in her lack of really processing what he might be capable of, she put others at risk and (coincidental or not - only she knows) took herself out of harms way. And she’ll probably live with that for the rest of her life.
If you really believe that Peeler should have stayed with her kids and been killed or that a woman should die because of an unwanted pregnancy (I’m taking this from your belief that abortion should be illegal, even if it would save the life of the mother)
I do not wish that she had been killed too. I am just wondering who goes off and leaves their 4 kids when their ex has threatened to kill the family. The articles I have read says that she “left” the kids with her parents, not that the kids were living with them.
And where do you get off saying that I think women whose lives are in danger shouldn’t have access to abortion? That’s your problem. You hear the words “pro life” and you turn your brain off. I have never said that women in danger shouldn’t be allowed to get an abortion, but you assume I believe that because you disagree with me on the issue. Find where I have said that if a woman is going to die, she should die if she’s pregnant. You can’t, because I have never fucking said that and I never would.
And this is why I am growing to hate these boards. You people can go on all you want about fighting ignorance, but the truth is that there is no room for anyone with a different viewpoint, as Seige has proven. The only people who are remotely conservative on these boards and are tolerated are those who tell you what you want to hear. Polycarp’s “Christianity” is tolerated because he waters it down and strokes your egos. He agrees with you most of the time; there’s actually no discernable difference between him and, say, Homebrew (just throwing out the first liberal’s name I could think of).
Put someone who tries to be uncompromising, or has a different worldview, on these boards and they are eaten for lunch. Assumptions are made about their viewpoints on other issues whether they’ve said anything to that effect or not, not to mention attacks on character and there’s always the fun little digs about where they live, if they live in a small town/state.
In short, most of these people on these boards are all the same and have no room for any viewpoint but their own. I started coming here because I lurked and liked what I saw: people who wanted to learn, people who asked questions. Useless trivia and types of people I don’t talk to in real life. I don’t know what has happened but lately all I see is a gathering ground for people with the same views, values, ideals, politics, and anyone who doesn’t fit is villified and sometimes ran off the boards, after which a party ensues. “Yay, we got rid of another one of them.”
Which is what I’m sure will happen now, and that’s why these Boards will continue to decline the way they have been lately.
Well, see, that would make sense. And look again at who the OP is.
Clear?
I’m confused. Since when is your viewpoint considered conservative, either by anyone in this thread or by the public in general? As far as I can tell, this is the first time the word “conservative” OR “liberal” has come up in this thread at all. So given that your assertions were not necessarily exclusively “conservative” (and I don’t see how this can’t be true), why would the opposition to you be some sort of political thing? Because as far as I can see, it’s not, unless you’re prepared to assert that concern for the welfare of children is somehow exclusively conservative.
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So are you asserting that Polycarp is not a “real” Christian? I’m sure he’d love to debate you on that…
So, let me get this straight… because her ex is a psychopath she must never, ever do anything that might upset him? He’s allowed to dictate who she can and can’t see, the types of relationships she can have, where she can live, where she can go…?
Uh, no. The responsibility for these murders rest solely on the human slime that did the killing
As for her behavior - as pointed out, she did not have custody. She may not have had custody because Jones was threatening her and maybe everyone involved thought the kids would be safer with their grandparents. Or maybe the judge looked at Peeler and Jones, declared them both losers, and gave custody to the grandparents. Or maybe, given the hell Peeler has been through, her parents assumed custody so she could get her life together. There’s a lot we don’t know about this situation and it’s pretty goddamned presumptious for any of us to pass judgement on this woman without knowing the full situation.
I have a co-worker who fucked her life up pretty bad in her youth, and voluntarially gave up custody of her child because she knew she was fucked up and couldn’t properly care for her child. Well, after many years she put a good life together and is now a sane individual. Her child is also a sane, very together young lady. Sometimes, giving up custody is an act of LOVE, not abandonment. My co-worker wanted the best life possible for her child - even if that meant ceasing to be her legal mother.
I have another co-worker who’s mother was also fucked up - and stayed that way. She was adopted by another family, and grateful that it happened that way. It’s not that she doesn’t care for her birth mother - it’s just that her birth mother can’t care for herself, much less anyone else, and, again, the birth mother in this case had enough self-awareness to realize that someone else would be a better parent to her child than she could.
If we accept that a parent can be willing to die for a child, why is it so inconceivable that a parent might send their child into the care of someone better able to care for that child than they can? Isn’t that an act of love and sacrifice? Isn’t that an example of putting the best interests of the child(ren) first?
And I don’t see anything in those articles stating that Peeler went to Oregon to fuck her new boyfriend. Even if she did - so what? Would it have been somehow less immoral of her to be fucking a new boyfriend who lived down the block from her parents? Would it have enraged Jones less? If a woman is trying to get away from one psycho boyfriend she’s not allowed to ever have another intimate relationship ever again in her life? Maybe she finally found a decent man who would genuinely love and care for her, put her life back together, and help her build a new life and regain custody of her kids. Or maybe he’s another psychopath. Hell, I don’t know - and neither do any of you!.
This guy Jones was a nutcase just looking for an excuse to go off. From the sound of things - the “meticulous” murder scenes, hiding the bodies, etc. - the was probably NOT spur of the moment, not entirely. Sounds like Jones-boy was seriously considering and planning for murder, and was just waiting for an excuse. And what hell - murdering the 10 month old, but keeping the three girls alive? Man, I probably don’t want to know…
Give Peeler some credit - when Jones called she did NOT give into him, she called the authorities back in Georgia not once but twice and told them to check things out.
I agree, it’s a damn shame he missed the last time he fired his gun. Probably did it in front of the girls, who are going to have to live with the memory of watching their father blow his own face to hell after murdering their grandparents and brother.
I find it curious that, as a so-called “liberal” Christian, so-called “conservative” Christians accuse me of not being judgemental enough, yet, when I do indulge in judging someone, they still disapprove of me. I assume that’s because the actions I choose to call someone out on differ from the ones they would.
Somewhere down in Georgia tonight, I suspec there’s a woman wondering how things could go so horribly wrong. Peeler must have seen some sort of redeeming characteristic in Jones, and, given that, I can see how she might honestly believe he wouldn’t kill his own daughters. Human beings can be very good at choosing to believe only that which we wish to believe. For that matter, I find that less of a stretch than what I fear Jones might be telling himself, namely that his actions were completely justified. At least one of the two of them tried to change things, to make a better life for herself and her children. That “better life” may have meant leaving them with people who loved them and could take better care of them than she could, or it could have meant doing so so that she could get laid. Either way, it’s a shame she got Pitted instead of Jones.
CJ
Polycarp should be complimented by That comparison.
decline? Heck, we have been getting high quality trolls lately!
If you look around a bit, I think you’ll find that differing viewpoints are fine. The trick is to not act like a jackass when discussing one’s viewpoint. There are several around here who seem to be incapable of doing so.
I don’t really care if she had custody or not. She knew she had kids, didn’t she? Were I to have a psychopath for an ex-husband, I wouldn’t leave my kids in his vicinity while I jetted out of town. But that’s just me. Would I always want to have to watch what I did? Probably not. However, if I was married to, and had kids with, a nutcase, I would have already forfeited what I really wanted, like it or not.
I am Not knocking this woman, but I would take my son if I were to spend a weekend or night with a boyfriend.
We’re quite close, and if boyfriend didn’t like it, well, he’d be alone then.
No offense to any potential boyfriends reading this.
I really object to Polycarp being referred to this way. Just because he doesn’t get all high and holy over everyone doesn’t mean his Christianity is “watered down.”
That’s always the way. Don’t sweat it.
There’s also a very good chance that Jones’ behavior changed, quite drastically, either after breaking up with Peeler or after some other incident. Perhaps he began drinking or using drugs. We don’t know.
Right-o. The important thing here is this: Peeler never did anything to bring her children to harm. We still don’t know that she even left them over Christmas or if the family even celebrates Christmas. We do know that the children were in the care of good people. And we do know that Jones, not Peeler, is the only one in this equation who brought harm to those kids.
You would do whatever you could to protect your kids. We don’t know that Peeler wasn’t doing that. We don’t know that Peeler didn’t or couldn’t reasonably believe that her kids would be perfectly safe where they were for any number of reasons.
Jones was making threats; perhaps he’d been a blustery type of person for as long as Peeler knew him. You know the type that spouts off at the mouth and talks a lot but doesn’t follow it up with any kind of action. Maybe Peeler didn’t have any reason to think that the threats of the last few weeks were any different than threats she’d heard before.
Again, we don’t know.
It’s hard to imagine how people can be comfortable second guessing the mother in this case based on nothing but supposition and “well, if I were her” half-baked Monday morning quarterbacking.
Even if Peeler’s behavior was completely stupid or utterly outrageous, that doesn’t change the fact that she and her daughters are the victims. None of them deserved what happened to them. None of them did anything which should have resulted in this situation. To pit Ms. Peeler is about the lowest, kick-them-when-they’re-down, crappy thing to do I can think of.
(Except maybe calling Polycarp’s Christianity into question because he’s not sufficiently judgmental and full of wholly unbiblical condemnation for some people’s tastes. That’s fairly low too.)
Instant christianity: just add water.
Oh, and another thing that bothers me about this paragraph. It implies that “real Christian” and “liberal” must be mutually exclusive. I’m fascinated as to how our social and religious culture got to the point where any sort of religious faith has become equated to a necessarily conservative viewpoint.
Not any sort of religious faith, no, no. Only rigid, judgmental, pitilessly moralizing dogmatism. At least to judge by the OP. I daresay you have to be Christian, too. No Buddhists, Hindus, and certainly no Muslims need apply. Wishy-washy folks like Unitarians, and troublemakers like priests who speak out against the oppression of the poor – they’re not the right sort, either.
Me, I’d say Polycarp is way closer to the image of Christ than any self-righteous prig slamming a mother who’s just lost most of her family to a psycopath.