Well, obviously, I'm over there.

So, I’m in the process of leaving my tae kwon do school. It’s where I started training. Seven and a half years ago, I was in fifth grade, ten years old, and innocent to the ways of martial arts. Now, I’m seventeen, a senior, a black belt, and ready to move on.

I dated my instructor, who is 21 years old, for quite a number of months last year. It was a solid, emotionally-based relationship. He respected the age difference and my parents demands that, at least in their presence, he was my TKD instructor, and nothing more. I was also going through a completely-unrelated emotional crisis of sorts, coming to terms with certain events in my childhood. We broke up after about seven months, peacefully. We’re still friends. He’s still my instructor.

But, at some point, I started loosing respect for him as my instructor. To me, there needs to be a certain degree of a certain type of respect between a martial arts teacher and their student. It needs to be mutual but different from both sides, and we were both failing there. I found myself (due to some changes at the school) one of the only black belts training. I was someplace between a student and teacher to the rest of the school. The two of us are still someplace between teacher and student, friend and friend, and ‘more than friends’.

It’s not an easy choice and I’ve been batting it around in my mind for months, but I need to move on. A good dojang is not just a school or a place to train, it’s a family. Even when we moved to a different building, the soul remained the same. It was where I earned my black belt. The place where I’d cried, literally, in pain. Where I’d time and again broken the limits I had unconsciously set on what I could do.

But, I’m loosing respect for the art of tae kwon do. I’m not ready to quit training; that’s not an option. I’m familiar with one of the other schools around here: I have some friends who train there, and I know one of the instructors. I’ve already started taking classes there. It’s going to be odd for a bit – there are stylistic differences, and differences in the curriculum from my almost-former school. So while I will keep my black belt, I’ll need to earn it again. For a few weeks, I’m going to be taking beginner classes and advanced classes – beginner ones, to learn the material that’s new to me.

I was surprised, when I took my first class there, this past Saturday, how much like home it felt. I was comfortable with the instructors and students. Despite not knowing some of the material, I felt as if I belonged. It felt right to me. I felt the same way I did before, at my school. There were summer days when I’d have my parents drop me off at three, and finally be picked up at eight or so. This past Saturday, I went up to my new school at ten in the morning, took an intermediate/advanced class, worked one-on-one for a bit with one of the instructors, and ended up assisting with a demo class for a troop of Girl Scouts.

They were mostly second-graders, the Girl Scouts. When I was a Girl Scout, in second grade, my troop went to a demo class at a local karate school. That was my first exposure to martial arts, and I was hooked. Three years later, I started training, the rest is history.

I think it was a sign. It wasn’t, of course, planned for me to help out. I wasn’t even planned to show up on Saturday. But I know the head instructor there, and finally got my emotions ready to say, “I’m ready to switch.” Then the class felt right, and I found myself worked naturally into the joking after class. I felt a renewed passion for learning new techniques as I was working with an instructor. Then, I literally saw myself, in that troop of Scouts: shorter than the rest, skinny. Brown hair sloppily tied back and glasses. She was me in second grade; and here she was, maybe starting a life of martial arts.

I’m not leaving my home, my dojang. It just moved, and I’m just finding it again.

A few years ago I went back to my former dojang after being away (mostly at school) for … five or so years.

The changes were rather glaring. The building was the same, but they had adopted a new style … one that I saw as having inherently more flaws (it was an open fighting style, and one that allowed for more intrusion into the general body area). The staff had changed … it just didn’t feel like the same place.

I didn’t feel like I’d come back to any particular place. I knew the address, but the rest of it wasn’t what I’d known.

NinjaChick, I can understand how you feel. My situation is a little different. I trained as a kid in Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do and 2 yrs after reaching 1st Dan I quit to pursue other interests. It is now 25 years later and I am going back and training again. The instructor I had as a child is still teaching. His class has moved to different places many times, but he has stayed with the same style and many of those I trained with as a child are still there training with him. Not much has really changed, and even though there are many new people there and the place we train at is different, I feel like I have come home after a very VERY long trip. They are my family and it’s great to be back.

Okay. I just got royally screwed by hamsters. And not SDMB hamsters, but I lost a long post. Here’s the summary:

[ul][li]Teacher: Never speak to that fucker again.[/li][li]Take judo[/ul][/li]
Seriously. I have great respect for TKD and I think that teaching/interacting w/ kids is an unambigously good idea. I think you need to diversify.

Look: I googled for judo and philadelphia and got something like 22,000 hits, so there has to be judo near you. Do it. Please.

The throw is, IMO, the most underappreciated element of martial arts. Basically, you’re learning how to hit a person with the whole damn planet. Plus judo teaches ground fighting. Granted, it ain’t as good as Bjj for ground fighting, but it is pretty damn good.
Tell me what I have to do to get you to take judo. Beg? I’ll do it. I’ll bring you something from Ireland when I go in April. I’ll send you a hundred bucks. If I can talk my Bjj instructor into giving me a price break, I’ll take TKD when my hand heels, if that’s what it takes. Tell me.
BTW, how’s your heel or ankle or whatever it was?

Well, if it makes you feel better, the school I switched to (official, as of today) is really about 60/40 TKD/Hapkido. From what hapkido I’ve done thus far, it hurts. Especially if you’re in a workshop with all other black belts, from probationary to 3rd dan, and are the only one who hasn’t done this stuff a LOT in the past. Also, I’m probably going to ‘branch out’ a little in college, because few of the schools I’m applying to have a TKD club.

Also - why shouldn’t I speak to my instructor again? I don’t get that point.

Also - not sure what injury your refrencing. Wrist (sprained a couple weeks ago, docs thought it might be a fracture) is just fine. Knees (chronic problems there) are…well, chronically problematic.

Please, please, please

this one

'Cos an adult shouldn’t be dating a 16 year-old student who has been studying under him since she was nine-and-a-half years old. Considering the fact that I am open-minded to the point of it being a liability, even I think that sounds like a situation that could use a second look by the law enforcement community.

Yes and no. My original judo instructor was a hapkido guy and I have a lot of respect for the art because of that. I think that Hapkido will teach you a lot of good stuff: joint locks & throat strikes being two good examples. However, there aren’t that many MA’s that I’m aware of where one learns to force the opponent to actually give up, and judo is one of them. By that I mean that in judo you will actually choke people to submission; i.e. motivated opponents who really intend to beat the hell out of you. In judo you can win by points. The truth is that you learn to hurt people in very meaningful ways.

Additionally, ground fighting is an important arena to keep in mind. Even Geoff Thompson, Britian’s most famous self-defense expert, says that if the fight lasts more than three seconds, then you should expect to be fighting on the ground. (p.s. The Three Second Fighter is a pretty interesting read.)

No disrespect intended to Hapkido. (Or TKD.) Seriously! It’s just that judo (& Bjj) represent an element that you can’t appreciate until you are there on the losing end of a good grappling technique. Not to mention the near lethal power of an effective throw.

I will seriously pay your admission to a college judo club for a semester, assuming that the cost is the same there as it is here, for you to get a feel for what it is all about. (Maybe next semester, what with my vacation to Ireland & all.)

Why? It was entirely consensual. There was no sex whatsoever involved. If you must know, we never went any further than a few hands on the upper body, over clothing. No laws were broken. Also, he first started teaching at my school two or three years after I started training there. We became friends, and over the course of a couple years, it very gradually turned into something more. He is not guilty of breaking ANY moral or judicial law.

I’ll take your arguements for judo in mind, but right now, TKD/hapkido is definitely where it’s at for me.