I agree that there seems to be a lot less discipline of childrens’ public behavior these days. But then I’ve also been living in LA County the past decade and there is a high Latino population here, and I’ve noticed in general, Latin American parents are a lot more tolerant of noise and horseplay. I’m not saying that is wrong, just that they have different standards of behavior than my parents had.
So it does get on my nerves sometimes.
Generally, though, I think we’re seeing a lot more problems than benefits in society from the new attitude condemning corporal punishment by parents. To effectively discipline a child, one must carry out any threats of punishment one makes, or else the child soon learns that misbehavior carries no consequences. I’m not saying that it’s impossible to punish a child except with a spanking, but it’s certainly less efficient, and it requires imagination and resourcefulness that is frequntly beyond the abilities of some individual parents.
And as for community upbringing, hell yea, that’s the way I was raised too. My mom was a single (white) parent living in a black neighborhood in the South, and we and the neighbors all looked out for one another. Including watching over and disciplining the children. We all knew any one of the parents had a license to take a switch to our asses if we got out of hand. And you know, I haven’t been there in almost 30 years but I wouldn’t be suprised if that hasn’t changed.
But I was generally a good kid. I learned to read at the age of 3 and spent a lot of time doing that. If my mom needed to run errands, she could leave me in the car or in a corner of the store with a comic book and I’d be there when she got back.
When I misbehaved, it was generally tagging along with others. (Not always, I wasn’t an angel.) My mom was very strict about our behavior in public and we were expected to display manners. She made it clear that our behavior reflected upon her, and that if we made her look bad, we’d be sorry. My sister was a little hellion, though. Stubborn, confrontational, and prone to throwing all-out tantrums. (She’s getting her payback now, with a 2-year old girl as stubborn and fitful as she was.)
And Mom had a few tricks, too, to inflict pain upon us in ways that didn’t look like she was doing anything. Her favorite was to grab our forearm and dig her nails into the soft part on the inside of the arm. It wouldn’t break the skin, but it would hurt. If we screamed and brought attention to ourselves, it would just look like we were being brats. And it allowed a firm grip so we couldn’t pull away, or she could drag us out of trouble. In retrospect, it was brilliant.
Hehe, my new sig is especially appropriate for this thread. 