Well then, we seem to have two factions based on whether or not we think **JSexton **is scum and little time. Am I all alone in thinking that he’s not? Perhaps you guys could lynch JSexton, if he’s mafia kill me, if he town kill Sturmhauke or MadTheSwine? Anyway that’s my thought.
I sure hope you’re town JSexton. I’m putting my life on the line here.
I say we let FCOD live for now. unvote FCOD
Well fuck.
That’s what I get for going out for the day.
Unvote MonkeyMensch
I was going to say that I wouldn’t cast a vote yet, until I found out where the tide was going with this whole miller crap. But 12 hours from then’ll be 8 am tomorrow morning. Barely enough time to boot up my computer, much less see what arguments have arisen from FCOD’s claim.
'Course, if I do vote, I get called on later for bandwagoning. If I don’t, I get called on for staying out of the whole thing.
Tell you what I’ll do, folks. We’ve got enough votes in to lynch FCOD. In the meantime, If FCOD is Mafia/Miller, vig JSexton. If FCOD is town, vig pimaspinner… If enough people have withdrawn their votes to stop the clock (at least until noonish), I’ll add a blue vote.
True, but I think we have another knot that we can untangle and should cause at least 1 mafia kill tonight. We have quite a few scum to shoot for.
Sorry, for not posting much this weekend (yeah, I doubt I’m missed that much) but I do have a few points to add.
Lynch FCOD.
First, in this case, where half of the conditional is obvious, it may behoove us only to vote on whom I should target in the event **FCOD ** IS miller or mafia; it will make the voting a lot simpler. That said, my prefered target for tonight would be Suburban Plankton. However, true to my word, I am going to refrain from voting for whom I should VIG kill tonight.
Second, for hocow, she is still my primary suspect for SK, but I’m not completely sold on my own idea either. On further reflection, my theory was running on the assumption that someone who had that thought process was likely involved in a first night killing, and the possibility that that may include mafia slipped my mind. Thus, un reflection, I think it is also likely that she is mafia. Regardless, she is probably my second choice for my target tonight.
Third, now that we have more than one person to protect, tonight might be an excellent night to discuss the help of the Guardian Angel. If we assume there is one, then he/she could protect both me and pimaspinner, and the doctor could then self-protect. OR, since we’re not sure, we could gambit and theorize that the GA does exist and ask him to consider protecting us, and have the doctor randomly choose between pimaspinner and me. I suspect that if the mafia attacked me last night, and the doctor protected me, knowing there’s then a really good chance I’ll be protected, and that pimaspinner would be too, they might think twice about targetting either of us tonight.
Now obviously, if it turns out that pimaspinner is a liar, then that whole last point becomes moot.
After your last few posts defending FCOD, and proposing a whole new situation to try and save Jsexton, I’m now inclined to think you are Mafia as well.
Change my Vig vote to:
If FCOD is Mafia or Miller, kill Fern Forest. If not, kill me.
I think we’ll get 2 scum for the price of one.
On further consideration, I am also uncomfortable with VIGing anyone who doesn’t have an opportunity to role claim and defend himself/herself. Thus, I hope that after my VIG target is chosen, we can allow enough time for him/her to offer a defense. Hence, I will unvote FCOD in the event that the clock has to be stopped because of this, since I am unsure if I will be able to unvote in time. However, for anyone keeping official score, this is not due to a lack of confidence that it is the correct vote.
Well, damnit… I should have read the posts I missed before bothering with my reconsideration. Now it really IS moot. Oh boy.
Did you put **JSexton **there instead of FCOD? Because I asked you guys to kill JSexton and the night to turn on the outcome.
Right here it seems that you are defending Jsexton. Please correct me if I’m wrong in my assesment.
I think Fern Forest’s suggestion was:
Lynch JSexton
If he’s mafia, vig kills Fern Forest, if he’s town kill sturmhauke or MadTheSwine
I’m voting for “misguided Townie”, myself. He’s saying lynch JSexton, and night-kill him if JSexton is Mafia. Kind of a stupid thing for a Mafioso to do. Either he’s a Townie who hasn’t thought things through(if JSexton is indeed town then tomorrow suspicion will fall on those who pushed for his death), or he’s a Mafioso who’s hoping that JSexton gets spared like Queuing.
Why would she propose to kill him if she thinks he’s town? She threw out a preposterous situation to try and take some heat off FCOD.
I case it isn’t obvious, I’ll keep posting it. Plus, it is not so hard to copy and paste the first conditional for those that don’t want to write it out.
Here are the Vig votes so far. I’ll keep the count until when I’ll say I’m going to sleep. Hopefully no one will have a problem with that. Since the countdown hasn’t stopped we need to get organized and should have a clear picture of how the Vig votes are going.
If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill JSexton. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner - Glee, Menocchio, Rysto, Aguecheek
If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill hocow. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner - Lakai, Kivvik, Kat
If FlyingCowOfDoom is Mafia or The Miller, kill Fern Forest. If FlyingCowOfDoom is not mafia, kill Pimaspinner - Pimaspinner
JSexton - MadTheSwine
**FlyingCowOfDoom ** - Storyteller
Suburban Plankon - Queuing
Wow. This string of votes/claims is just unbelievably against probabilities…
So…it looks like we’ve established a pattern of accepting all claims (at least temporarily) so does that mean we should accept FCOD’s? I’d be happier about his claim if a) several people hadn’t already pointed out the possibility that he could have that role and b) someone hadn’t asked him to list who he’d blocked so far. It just comes across as if he’d been prompted in what to say and just went along with it.
Personally, I still think Suburban Plankton is scummy. It looks like the Guest of Honor for the daily lynching has been chosen, so
If FCOD is anything but Miller/Mafia, vig Pima. (this seems pretty settled too)
If FCOD is Miller/Mafia, vig Suburban Plankton.
You’d have to ask FF that. I’m just saying how the suggestion reads to me.
Yes, you are wrong. I am suggesting that today the town lynch JSexton. If JSexton turns out to be town then kill Sturmhauke or MadTheSwine, or whoever else you think should go there. If JSexton turns out to be mafia then kill me. Thus I am saying that I sure hope I’m right because if I’m wrong then I would die at the hands of Blaster Master.
My opinions for FCOD were like this. Have Blaster Master kill her at night and try and find another mobster today, hoping to pick up two. I acknowledge that this is unpopular…
When FCOD claimed I felt differently. There is a possible mobster in the FCOD case. I am more certain there’s a mobster in the Sturmhauke/JSexton feud. I say break that up and take a better shot at the mob and I’m willing to risk my life for it. FCOD is exposed as she can day anyday. We have 8, maybe 7, mobsters today. Why go after one we think is possible scum when we have a knot that has a better chance of catching a scum.
I meant this.
…FCOD is exposed and can die any day…
I believe that either JSexton or Sturmhauke is a mobster. I believe that a one for one trade benefits the town. So I am proposing that the town put up 2 possible scenarios today and tonight.
Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Sturmhauke.
or
Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Fern Forest.
One of those will net us a mobster. I believe it will play out like the top one and not the bottom one. See what I’m doing now?
I think the chances of Blaster being the SK are about nil, as it’s nearly certain that the SK made the nesta kill. Blaster’s posts make no sense from a mafia perspective. Therefore, he must be the genuine vig.
Yep. When you’re holding rags, why not bluff and say you made the flush? My vote stands. It sucks but we have to call it.
On the plus side, ignoring the possibility of FCOD pulling a Winston Smith, we now know we can trust pimaspinner. The possibility that scum would correctly guess a miller seems negligible.
Now, if FCOD is indeed a miller: Malacandra, worth considering as a mafioso? Some more likely alternative possibilities, overlapping kills or doctor/GA intervention, but still certainly not a point in his favor.