Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

The Game Room
2041

[QUOTE=Fern Forest]
I believe that either JSexton or Sturmhauke is a mobster. I believe that a one for one trade benefits the town. So I am proposing that the town put up 2 possible scenarios today and tonight.

Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Sturmhauke.
or
Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Fern Forest.

One of those will net us a mobster. I believe it will play out like the top one and not the bottom one. See what I’m doing now?
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I see.

Why do you think either **JSexton **or **Sturmhauke **is a mobster?

2042

Fern Forest,

We’ve got a bird in the hand. Why are you skulking in the bush?

2043

Fern Forest, your reasoning makes little sense. We’re certain that FCoD is Mafia. We can’t possibly gain any more information about FCoD. Therefore, it makes the most sense to lynch him now, and gain information about others.

Given that, we have to night-kill our next most likely target. JSexton and hocow are the leading contenders for the night-kill. Once the night-kill is complete and we have the victim’s alignment, we can make a decision from there during the next Day.

2044

I vote If FCOD is mafia or miller, Kill Jsexton

Would it make any sense to lynch someone besides FCOD and let the vig target FCOD? That way if FCOD is a miller they can save themself.

2045

Fern Forest:

This suggestion looks fishy to me as well. Let’s run a couple possibilities: 1) You are scum, JSexton is not. Obviously, it would make sense to say this, know he shows up town, and then have the finger pointed at another townie. If this is the case, it looks REALLY bad for you. 2) You are scum, JSexton is scum. This would make no sense, unless you’re hoping it looks SO stupid, no one buys it or, as another suggested, you are trying the “not guilty by association” defense. 3) You are not scum, JSexton is not scum. This just looks ill-advised. Why would you risk your life to prove he’s not scum; and if we do lynch him, what does that prove? That we (the town) were wildly off base again. 4) You are not scum, JSexton is scum. I guess this case just really sucks for you, eh?

We’ve already established that suggesting yourself being VIGed at night looks oddly suspicious, so I can’t see the wisdom of this move if you’re not scum. Thus, it looks like the first case is the most probable because it would seemingly vindicate you. That said, I am not inclined to think lynching JSexton today is a good idea, because I’m not sold on the idea that he’s scum.

I would much rather see someone who looks more scummy to me get lynched (like Suburban Plankton). Also, I’m inclined to give FCOD the benefit of the doubt, and ask him to block hocow and/or JSexton. We’re running out of roles to claim, and if he’s lying, we can always lynch him later when we run out of scummy looking targets that can claim power roles. Today, it looks like we have at least two or three other good targets today, so I think we can let FCOD off until we don’t have anyone to target.

That said, here’s what I propose:
FCOD, please block hocow or JSexton.
pimaspinner, maybe you could investigate one of them as well, or take a complete stab in the dark with one of the “under the radar” people
Then we can lynch Suburban Plankton. And I can target whichever one between hocow and JSexton isn’t going to be investigated and/or blocked. OR I can go after another target all together.

2046

[QUOTE=Fern Forest]
Yes, you are wrong. I am suggesting that today the town lynch JSexton. If JSexton turns out to be town then kill Sturmhauke or MadTheSwine, or whoever else you think should go there. If JSexton turns out to be mafia then kill me. Thus I am saying that **I sure hope I’m right because if I’m wrong then I would die[b/] at the hands of Blaster Master.

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You’re full of crap. The second bolded bit indicates that you believe me to be townm because if you’re wrong you’ll be vigged, but that condition only happens if I’m scum.
Meaning you being right = me being town. Why are you pushing for the lynch of someone you think is pro-town?

You’ve gotten your wires crossed, and it shows.

lynch Flying Cow
Vig pimaspinner if Cow is non-Miller town.
Vig Fern Forest if Cow is scum.

2047

[QUOTE=Fern Forest]
I believe that either JSexton or Sturmhauke is a mobster. I believe that a one for one trade benefits the town. So I am proposing that the town put up 2 possible scenarios today and tonight.

Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Sturmhauke.
or
Lynch JSexton and the VG kills Fern Forest.

One of those will net us a mobster. I believe it will play out like the top one and not the bottom one. See what I’m doing now?
[/QUOTE]

I see what you are doing. I think that all 3 of you may be mafia. I think this is a smoke screen because you know that it’s safe to propose this scenario and distance yourself from the both of them, because it does look like **FCOD ** will be lynched. While it may be beneficial in some capacity to spare him for now and go after another faction, I’m with **Menocchio ** that we have a bird in the hand. We are down and we need to go for what we know. If we hold off and lynch another townie instead, then the Mafia gets another one tonight, and the SK might get one too. That’s a scenario that I don’t like at all.

2048

We think we have a bird in the hand. We can put that bird in a cage and gas it whenever we want. We have a whole bunch of scum on the loose. Why stop hunting when we think we have one when keep hunting today? And it doesn’t hurt us, it’s not like it will keep any scum from making a kill today. Well, unless FCOD is the SK. And if she is then she’s painted a big bullseye on her back for the mob tonight for either she is a miller with a true claim or she’s the SK with a false claim.

[QUOTE=Lakai]
Why do you think either **JSexton **or **Sturmhauke **is a mobster?
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Because I am fairly sure that JSexton is a citizen. Sturmhauke has gone after him fairly strongly today. I believe he did so because he perceived a weakness and believe that he could take him down and have a good alibi tomorrow.

2049

[QUOTE=zuma]
Would it make any sense to lynch someone besides FCOD and let the vig target FCOD? That way if FCOD is a miller they can save themself.
[/QUOTE]

That is an excellent suggestion. I say we go with this. FCoD claims to be a Miller? Make him prove it tonight.

2050

[QUOTE=zuma]
Would it make any sense to lynch someone besides FCOD and let the vig target FCOD? That way if FCOD is a miller they can save themself.
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…you know, I don’t actually see a down side to that. It tests for the case that FCOD is telling the truth, and is self-correcting if he’s lying. The only potential downside I can see is if FCOD is the Godfather and thus vig-proof…but then, pimaspinner wouldn’t have gotten guilties on him, right?

I think that’s a brilliant idea.

2051

We could make a third option: If FCoD is Miller, vig-kill Malacadra, but that might make things too complicated.

I really don’t have time tonight to go through the thread again. If someone offers a reasonable alternative lynch-vote, with evidence (links or quotes), I’d be happy to consider it, though.

Or I could vote for MadTheSwine again.

2052

[QUOTE=Fern Forest]
We think we have a bird in the hand. We can put that bird in a cage and gas it whenever we want. We have a whole bunch of scum on the loose. Why stop hunting when we think we have one when keep hunting today? And it doesn’t hurt us, it’s not like it will keep any scum from making a kill today. Well, unless FCOD is the SK. And if she is then she’s painted a big bullseye on her back for the mob tonight for either she is a miller with a true claim or she’s the SK with a false claim.
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What? Keep fooling aound with hunting scum when we think we have one? That makes no sense.

More not-making-sense. You’re advocating lynching someone you think is town…amazing.

lynch Fern Forest
vig Flying Cow

2053

[QUOTE=JSexton]
…but then, pimaspinner wouldn’t have gotten guilties on him, right?
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Not unless FCoD is the unluckiest Godfather ever.

2054

[QUOTE=JSexton]
Why are you pushing for the lynch of someone you think is pro-town?

You’ve gotten your wires crossed, and it shows.
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So many people hate this idea.

I guess I could keep arguing but I’m not sure what it will get me but on the lynch list for today. The reason I’m throwing you under the but JSexton is because that doing do allows me to bag Sturmhauke who I think is scum. A one for one trade benefits the town.

But consider me shouted down and out of ideas.

2055

I’m officially on the Assassinate FCoD bandwagon. Dunno who I’m going to vote to lynch, though.

2056

[QUOTE=zuma]
I vote If FCOD is mafia or miller, Kill Jsexton

Would it make any sense to lynch someone besides FCOD and let the vig target FCOD? That way if FCOD is a miller they can save themself.
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I can also go with this. This would “waste” my VIG kill, but it would essentially net us three confirmed citizens (me, pimaspinner, and FCOD).

Props to Zuma.

2057

I can go along with the suggestion that we Vig kill FCOD, and if he is a miller he can block **Blaster ** Master. If not, he dies. This is actually brilliant. **Fern ** **Forest ** is digging a hole she can’t get out off. We can use it for her grave. :stuck_out_tongue:

Unvote FlyingCow

Lynch Fern Forest
Vig Kill FlyingCow

2058

That’ll teach me to take 15 minutes to post a message.

Fern Forest:
Why not advocate lynching sturmhauke if you think
(1) either JSexton or sturmhauke is Mafia and*
(2) JSexton is town?

Isn’t that just the same as saying you think sturmhauke is Mafia?

And in preview now, I see you saying exactly that. Why not call for a vote for sturmhauke, since you think he is Mafia, instead of someone you think is Town?

Unvote FCoD.
Vote Fern Forest.

Assassinate FCoD.

2059

[QUOTE=Kat]
That’ll teach me to take 15 minutes to post a message.

Fern Forest:
Why not advocate lynching sturmhauke if you think
(1) either JSexton or sturmhauke is Mafia and*
(2) JSexton is town?

Isn’t that just the same as saying you think sturmhauke is Mafia?

And in preview now, I see you saying exactly that. Why not call for a vote for sturmhauke, since you think he is Mafia, instead of someone you think is Town?
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I did, it had no traction. I can’t get the trade to work if Sturmhauke goes first. I suppose I could go first. If I’m town kill Sturmhauke, if I’m mafia kill JSexton. Give a dying man his last wish?

[QUOTE=pimaspinner]
**Fern ** **Forest ** is digging a hole she can’t get out off. We can use it for her grave. :stuck_out_tongue:
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Well, if I can confirm three townies then I guess it’s good for the town since I do win if the town wins. Make your block tonight count FCOD.

I would defend myself but when the ghost of Winston Smith get you … shrugs Ah well, I tried to be bold and it blew up in my face.

I still like my idea though. And if it would have netted us the Godfather I shall taunt you guys mercilessly.

2060

I have some nightmares about scum killing FCOD and the rest of us arguing about whether or not that’s what happened or if BM is mafia and FCOD just missed his chance to block.

But that seems unlikely.

Also, there’s the chance that we lynch the SK, and the whole vig point becomes moot, but then we could just lynch FCOD in the morning.

So:
Unvote Flying Cow of Darkness.
Vigilante Target Flying Cow of Darkness
Flying Cow of Darkness Target Blaster Master
Doctor, Guardian Angel, Serial Killer (if playing a pro-town strategy, which remains your best shot) do not touch Flying Cow of Darkness.

Ok, so who do we lynch then? We’ve got to decide quickly, even if we abort the fast countdown. I’m not quite sure at this point, we have several excellent candidates.

Fern Forest has been acting very suspicious. We have to test FCOD and pimaspinner’s claims. We cannot let them both go unopposed. I can’t see what your plans would accomplish, unless it’s to provide cover for yourself when one of the more popular suspects turns up scum. But you could just be a particularly misguided townfolk.

JSexton still bugs me, for the reasons I laid down earlier. The more I think about it, the more I think he may be the serial killer, as well. The vigilante, after all, is the most motivated to find the SK. It clears him to the town and “wins” his slice of the game.

Suburban Plankton’s reaction to pimaspinner’s outing bugs me too. It seems guilty, but it could just as easily have been borne out of incredulity regarding the number of claims at this stage.

For now, I will vote for JSexton.
I can be persuaded to change my vote to SP or FF if there’s a tiebreaker needed between them and any other party.