Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

[CaerieD]

@Rysto

Excellent point. Perhaps the Mafia is taking a page from the Werewolves’ book and killing off players who are trying to compile information for the rest of us?

So, who wants to take over spreadsheet duty?

Well I was going to offer to do it, but after that rousing endorsement of the position I’m having my doubts.

I am somewhat suspicious of Autolycus, but I think I’ll hold off on voting just yet.

[Queuing]

@MadTheSwine

I doubt it will come to that,first night killings have got to be pretty much a stab in the dark.Could be some grudges left over from last game though.
Returning players are :
Captain Carrot- Dead.Who did he anger last game.I don’t remember.

chrisk-Very interested observer from last game,chastised by Dnooman for posting too much.

Dnooman-Dead

hocow-Dnooman and I decided to eat her.

Kat-Survived

MadTheSwine-Thats me.

Menocchio-Lynched first day

One and Only Wanderers- Dead

Rysto-Eaten first night at Dnoomans recommendation.
Sturmhauke-Seer from last game,very strong player,seems like he(she?) would have been a target.

Suburban Plankton-Played well,also seemed a likely target for a first night killing.

Winston Smith-Relentlessly pursued by MadThe Swine,if he is a scum, they would have left me alone as it would have definately put the FOS squarely on him.

Dnooman seemed to ruffle some feathers last game.Probably a revenge kill.

So which one was it? Random? Or revenge killing? It can’t just be coincidence that the people who have played before got killed.

If its the latter should we then also kill one of the returning players?

[FlyingCowOfDoom]

@MonkeyMensch

Or at least N-1 Masons.

We know that 2 <= N <= 6.

The Rules

Seeing as how Autolycus is talking like a mobster, I think I’m gonna have to go ahead at vote Autolycus.

–FCOD

[Autolycus]

@FlyingCowOfDoom

Seeing as how Autolycus is talking like a mobster, I think I’m gonna have to go ahead at vote Autolycus.
–FCOD

Only a stupid mobster would talk like a mobster, see? You would think that, right. But he would know that you think you know that, see? So a smart mobster would pretend to talk like a mobster so that everyone would think he was actually only pretending to be a mobster, see? But them’s not the only options. He could only be pretending to be a smart mobster that’s pretending to talk like a mobster to fool people into thinking he’s not a mobster, but he actually is a mobster pretending to engage everyone in some clever double talk, see? Dont forget he could actually be stupid and blowing his cover, ya never knows. For all we’s know, he could be just some dumb kid muckin’ up the works.

While you’re thinkins that over, I gotta take a trip to the docks and meet my friend Vinnie. He’s got a nice catch of fish comin’ in thats needs inspectins’

[The_Understander]

I agree that prior players all dying is no coincidence–

But my thought is that the mafioso are a clever lot, and would do this by design to have us all follow this false trail. Since there’s way too many players to make a really good guess… I just have to vote to lynch Autolycus for imitating the speech of a bunch of murdering pig-dogs! And I don’t care if I’m the third person to do it, I’m town, I’ve got nothing to fear.

Except a misguided lynching… or the mafia… or the serial killer… or the vigilante…

Um. I’m going to go hide under the couch now.

[storyteller0910]

@Autolycus

Only a stupid mobster would talk like a mobster, see? You would think that, right. But he would know that you think you know that, see? So a smart mobster would pretend to talk like a mobster so that everyone would think he was actually only pretending to be a mobster, see? But them’s not the only options. He could only be pretending to be a smart mobster that’s pretending to talk like a mobster to fool people into thinking he’s not a mobster, but he actually is a mobster pretending to engage everyone in some clever double talk, see? Dont forget he could actually be stupid and blowing his cover, ya never knows. For all we’s know, he could be just some dumb kid muckin’ up the works.

While you’re thinkins that over, I gotta take a trip to the docks and meet my friend Vinnie. He’s got a nice catch of fish comin’ in thats needs inspectins’

But will he choose the goblet in front of him, or the goblet in front of you?

[glee]

This game is certainly moving fast. :eek:

I do have a rules query:

• apparently the beat cops only have a 50% chance of being right when they investigate. So what happens if they investigate a Ctizen and get a wrong reading? Do they have a chance of getting Mafia / Serial Killer / Vigilante / Miller / Cop / Doctor / Angel?
  It seems a fairly useless ability anyway…

Next I raise a glass to our fallen Citizens.

Having done that, here is my introduction to the game:

@Smitty

Also, FCOD, random votes are always thrown out at the beginning of the game. It’s just a way to break the ice.
And in that spirit - lynch glee. I do what random.org tells me to do.

How does this help the town?
Can’t you find a better ice-breaker? :smack:

I nobly resist the temptaion to nominate Smitty back.

@Rysto

Well, I’m certainly not surprised that the Mafia went after previous players – it’s to their advantage to get rid of players who have a feel for the strategy of the game. For the same reason, I’m very surprised that the Vigilante went after a previous player.
I’m also surprised that the Serial Killer would go after an experienced player. They’re in an interesting position. They should be playing as if they’re on the side of the Town – after all, the shorter the game is, the better chance they have of surviving to the end and winning.

I agree that both the Serial Killer and the Vigilante should be trying to help the Town, for different reasons. The Vigilante wins if the Town does, while the Serial Killer won’t beat the Mafia unless they are rapidly depleted.

[Queuing]

I am wondering if we can get everyone to say their experience playing this game. Including whether or not they followed the 1st game of werewolf. I know that people can lie, and say they are inexperienced when they could be grand poobahs of mafia, however it could be somewhat useful as data. Or not.

Myself I had never even heard of this game until the thread from RT. It sounded interesting but as I didn’t know the game I didn’t try to play. I followed that thread, checking it every day. I never did a re-read or anything. I suspected Surbaban Plankton of being a mason, and agreed that Sturm may have been the seer (in the observer thread).

[MadTheSwine]

@Queuing

So which one was it? Random? Or revenge killing? It can’t just be coincidence that the people who have played before got killed.

If its the latter should we then also kill one of the returning players?

What I meant by that is, since it is a crap shoot, why not go after someone who was a thorn in your side from last game.

And yes,I think its likely that one of the returning players is responsible for the death of Dnooman so we should target one of them.Which,of course throws me into the mix,but thats what I believe and I think our chances are better at achieving a good kill targeting one of them rather than just tossing out random votes.

[FlyingCowOfDoom]

@Enfant Terrible

I agree that prior players all dying is no coincidence–

Actually, it has to be a coincidence. The Mafia has only killed once. The three separate murders probably had the same motive, but we all know the SK, Vig, and Mafia aren’t in cahoots.

@storyteller0910

But will he choose the goblet in front of him, or the goblet in front of you?

Either way, he’s a Sicilian, and the Sicilians invented the Mafia! It’s a slightly less well-known fact.

–FCOD

[MadTheSwine]

The Serial Killer wins if either the town or the mafia are defeated…is that correct?

[Rysto]

As per random.org: Vote Gadarene

[chrisk]

Okay, based on an idea that StarvingButStrong had in the werewolf commentary thread, I’m proposing an Open Detection System

Hypothetically, for the purpose of this post, I’m claiming that I’m a cop of some sort. Last night, I investigated Enfant Terrible and found him to be vanilla citizen.

The preceding assertion is not valid in any way, shape, or form, unless I’m a cop of some description. In addition, if I’m a beat cop, my investigations are unreliable, and all investigations are subject to specific distortion. (IE, even if I’m the detective and got that result from ET, he might still be the godfather.)

All other players are encouraged to join in with the ODS and post hypothetical investigation results. I’m not sure how this will end up, but I thought it was worth a try to start. If you don’t want me to continue doing this on successive days, yell at me to stop.

[NAF1138]

@glee

This game is certainly moving fast. :eek:

I do have a rules query:

• apparently the beat cops only have a 50% chance of being right when they investigate. So what happens if they investigate a Ctizen and get a wrong reading? Do they have a chance of getting Mafia / Serial Killer / Vigilante / Miller / Cop / Doctor / Angel?

Yup. And it’s 50/50 each time, not 50% of his answers will be correct.

Maybe useless maybe not. But it’s probably better than nothing.

[brewha]

@MonkeyMensch

Yeah, I was dying to ask this question last night, if there was going to be any differences in the means of death. Oh well.

And seeing Porp’s post in preview I too was hoping to have some help from the veterans, at least for me, 'cause I’m a noob and never read the parallel thread from last game.

Here’s to you Captain Carrot, dnooman and One and Only Wanderers. ::sniff::

Here’s how I interpret this post. (replace all “he” with “she” if applicable)

He’s saying that he’s a noob. What he means is underestimate me while I kill you in your sleep.

He’s saying that he’s sad for townie deaths, but he just wants to make sure you think that he is sad a presumed a townie himself.

Me? I was just too happy to have survived the night to have much immediate remorse for our fallen.

Too eary for me to vote, but I’m pointing the FOS at MonkeyMensch

[NAF1138]

@MadTheSwine

The Serial Killer wins if either the town or the mafia are defeated…is that correct?

SK wins if they make it to the end of the game.

[MadTheSwine]

@chrisk

Okay, based on an idea that StarvingButStrong had in the werewolf commentary thread, I’m proposing an Open Detection System

Hypothetically, for the purpose of this post, I’m claiming that I’m a cop of some sort. Last night, I investigated Enfant Terrible and found him to be vanilla citizen.

The preceding assertion is not valid in any way, shape, or form, unless I’m a cop of some description. In addition, if I’m a beat cop, my investigations are unreliable, and all investigations are subject to specific distortion. (IE, even if I’m the detective and got that result from ET, he might still be the godfather.)

All other players are encouraged to join in with the ODS and post hypothetical investigation results. I’m not sure how this will end up, but I thought it was worth a try to start. If you don’t want me to continue doing this on successive days, yell at me to stop.

What??? I don’t think that is a good idea at all. Who would that benefit except scum?

[FlyingCowOfDoom]

@chrisk

Okay, based on an idea that StarvingButStrong had in the werewolf commentary thread, I’m proposing an Open Detection System

Hypothetically, for the purpose of this post, I’m claiming that I’m a cop of some sort. Last night, I investigated Enfant Terrible and found him to be vanilla citizen.

The preceding assertion is not valid in any way, shape, or form, unless I’m a cop of some description. In addition, if I’m a beat cop, my investigations are unreliable, and all investigations are subject to specific distortion. (IE, even if I’m the detective and got that result from ET, he might still be the godfather.)

All other players are encouraged to join in with the ODS and post hypothetical investigation results. I’m not sure how this will end up, but I thought it was worth a try to start. If you don’t want me to continue doing this on successive days, yell at me to stop.

Am I missing something? Didn’t you just guarantee your death tonight? I’m new to this game, there are three outcomes as I see it:

1. You’re actually a Cop.
2. You’re not a Cop, but you’re not Mafia either.
3. You’re in the Mafia.

If 1 or 2 is true, the Mafia (who know you’re not one of them) would kill you, because it doesn’t matter to them if you’re actually a Cop or not. If 3 is true, you’ll be alive tomorrow, in which case we should lynch you then.

I have to be missing something…

–FCOD

[chrisk]

@NAF1138

SK wins if they make it to the end of the game.

But is the end of the game determined once it’s clear that the mafia or the citizens must win?

Suppose, like last time, there were 9 players, 6 of whom were confirmed on the side of the citizens.

But… hmm. I guess that if the SK is among the 3 that are suspect mafia, then he’s considered to be effectively doomed. (Even though the first night he and any remaining mafiosos can kill two confirmed citizens.) And there doesn’t seem to be any way that the SK can hide among the confirmed citizens.

So I can’t come up with a theoretical just now. (shrugs) Anybody else know what I’m asking?

[glee]

@NAF1138

Yup. And it’s 50/50 each time, not 50% of his answers will be correct.

Maybe useless maybe not. But it’s probably better than nothing.

Thanks for the clarification.

I wonder how much ‘better than nothing’ it is…
Say a beat cop investigates and gets MAFIA!
He tries the same person again next time and gets MAFIA again. There’s still a 25% chance it’s a citizen.
I suppose the two beat cops could investigate the same person - but if they get contradictory answers, they still don’t know which is right…